Barak Obama or McCain for 2008?

[RoyalServantMissionary]

Who do you think will win the presidential election this year, Barack Obama or John McCain?

[Judy]

Obama. Although, it won't be because I voted for him! :( Neither candidate wows me, frankly.

[boyscoutchristian17]

I'm not voting 4 Obama, because he is against everything Christians stand 4. My votes 4 McCain.

[OneJoe]

I believe Barak Hussein Obama will win this election because the American people are tired of this war and other unconstitutional things which have come under Bush. The sad part is there actually blind to the point they actually believe Obama will save the day. I typically vote Republican, but I don't have the stomach to cast a vote for McCain. Besides this war, what is the real difference between Obama and McCain? Their both a couple of puppets who will equally destroy this country. I will be voting for Bob Barr this year. Unlike many Americans, I am not spoiled to the two party system and the lies the media feeds people. Why are the American people so lazy they don't bother to research other canidates? This is exactly how the government wants us to be. They appear to give, but are actually taking. When they do give, what their giving was yours to begin with. How nice of them to actually give us our money back. Yes, I believe Obama will win. Then he can tax us to death and give our money to the people who could, but refuse to work. He will also spend many of our tax dollars on the rest of the world. Obama is right on one thing. We DO need change but he certainly isn't the change we need. What he is wanting to do is no different than what other democraps have done. It has done us no good and will not do any good now. We do not need to raise taxes to cover the cost of spending as democraps like to do. We do not need to cut taxes and continue spending either. We need to STOP SPENDING! This life of luxary that the American people have lived has not come without a major price and now it is time to pay for it.

[Ken]

McCain and Obama are both despised by many in their own political parties. It does seem McCain is popular with many democrats and I don’t think you’ll find many republicans that will support, or vote for Obama. McCain wrapped up the nomination in his own party much easier than Obama. It will be interesting to see how many cross over voters there are in this election.

I don’t care for McCain at all, but I find Obama very offensive and we get a ton of negative email about Obama. I don’t want to go too far out on a limb, but I really don’t see the majority of voters sending Obama to the white house. It would really be sad to think this country has fallen that far, but time will tell. I will see it as a punishment by God if Obama is elected.

God’s will be done

[aussiegirl]

Frankley I believe that neither should be in office. I hear all of this bash against President Bush and it's not cool. If you had the choice to have Obama, McCain, or Bush again, which would you choose? Bush has done many great things for this nation and he is a christian. I think we need to be grateful for Bush and start preparing for the times ahead, cause this nations going nowhere good with either Obama or McCain.

[gypsy47]

I believe that I am correct that when Jesus was on this earth, that He entered Jerusalem to go to the Syn agog through the West Gate that the poor people entered through. Did He not minister to the poor and the sick? Did He ever ask a poor person why they didn't get a job and become a productive citizen? I believed He loved the poor.

In my observations of politics in this country since 1962, the Democratic Party has tried to help the poor and underprivileged. I can remember back in the 60's when the segregationists started this talk about people who can work and won't that are being supported by tax money. It has caught on with quite a few people after all of these years. Somehow, I can't see Jesus thinking this way.

As for higher taxes, I seem to remember a booming economy in the 1990's after President Clinton raised taxes. The higher taxes did not cripple the economy, to the contrary, it boomed. I seem also to recall over the years that I have observed politics in this country that when the Democrats are in control that the economy always does better. I remember the cold war also. I remember all of the things that were said about the Communist taking over the country and the scares that were produced by the Republicans. Labor parties were Communist Controlled. They were the thing that was ruining the economy by their high wage contracts. Now after the Reagan Presidency and the Bush Presidency, labor unions are almost nonexistent and wages keep getting lower and loiwer, good paying jobs are going overseas.

I believe that those who love this country should wake up and stop listening to the Cold War type scare statements of the Republican Party and take back our country by voting Democratic.

[BlessedintheWest]

Amen! Typically when someone does the right thing it is not the popular thing. All the grumbling and Bush-bashing has confirmed my belief that he is a good president.

[boyscoutchristian17]

I agree 4 the most part, but McCain would be better than Obama. He is agianst gay marriage, and abortion. that is why I'm voting for him.

[RoMan838]

Daniel 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

[OneJoe]

I believe that I am correct that when Jesus was on this earth, that He entered Jerusalem to go to the Syn agog through the West Gate that the poor people entered through. Did He not minister to the poor and the sick? Did He ever ask a poor person why they didn't get a job and become a productive citizen? I believed He loved the poor.

In my observations of politics in this country since 1962, the Democratic Party has tried to help the poor and underprivileged. I can remember back in the 60's when the segregationists started this talk about people who can work and won't that are being supported by tax money. It has caught on with quite a few people after all of these years. Somehow, I can't see Jesus thinking this way.

As for higher taxes, I seem to remember a booming economy in the 1990's after President Clinton raised taxes. The higher taxes did not cripple the economy, to the contrary, it boomed. I seem also to recall over the years that I have observed politics in this country that when the Democrats are in control that the economy always does better. I remember the cold war also. I remember all of the things that were said about the Communist taking over the country and the scares that were produced by the Republicans. Labor parties were Communist Controlled. They were the thing that was ruining the economy by their high wage contracts. Now after the Reagan Presidency and the Bush Presidency, labor unions are almost nonexistent and wages keep getting lower and loiwer, good paying jobs are going overseas.

I believe that those who love this country should wake up and stop listening to the Cold War type scare statements of the Republican Party and take back our country by voting Democratic.

If I didn't know any better, I would say you were comparing either Obama or the entire Democratic party to Jesus Christ. Surely not! I hear what your saying and it sounds like the same trash a Democratic Canidate would have us to believe. You actually think that raising taxes helps the economy? I don't recall a booming economy during the Clinton years either. Also, my wages haven't gone down since the Bush administration, they've gone up. Of course I don't contribute that to anything Bush has done but it certainly isn't due to anything the democraps have done either. It has been my experience that when the Democraps raise taxes, employers begin looking for people to lay off so they can pay those extra taxes. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending anything about the Republican party. I do tend to vote Republican simply because many of them hold to more conservative views and often times were stuck with only two people running for an office. This election is easier however. Both parties have chosen the two worst canidate they could have nominated and made it easier to vote third party.

[corrie]

Well, maybe the good democrats should have a bit of a look at realities - and try to avoid the same things happening in the USA, where the effects will be way greater than in the African countries so diligently assisted to freedom by the liberally thinkers of urope and the USA.
The Rhodesia of days gone by, was a prosperous, peaceful but disciplined country. Ruled by a minority, to great advantage of all the inhabitants.
The South Africa of days gone by, was a country of opressed, well-fed people forced into discipline and well ruled. It has been freed from the oppression, and handed over to the majority which now rules the show. Maybe anyone interested in reality, should take a bit of time researching just on the Internet:
By googling phrases like 'Farm murders in South Africa', 'Jacob Zuma', 'ANC Policies' etc., many rather less pretty reports will come to light - but only to those who take the trouble to read the reports!
Take care that this does not become true of the good old USA - where a lot of our problems in Africa actually originated.
Have a happy day, and think like a real Christian - and that requires a bit of understanding of the words 'discipline' and 'law' and the version of Love as expressed by the Creator of it all - not quite a saucy romantic love but quite hard and very rewarding to those who understand it.

[bloodwashed]

It doesn't matter between those two! We all lose!!! Look up your redemption draweth nigh!!!

[jaysmom]

Obama & Biden for abortion...DEATH

* Ok for state to restrict late-term partial birth abortion. (Apr 2008)
* We can find common ground between pro-choice and pro-life. (Apr 2008)
* Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008)
* Teach teens about abstinence and also about contraception. (Apr 2008)
* GovWatch: Obama's "present" votes were a requested strategy. (Feb 2008)
* Expand access to contraception; reduce unintended pregnancy. (Feb 2008)
* Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007. (Jan 2008)
* Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
* Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
* Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
* Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
* Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
* Moral accusations from pro-lifers are counterproductive. (Oct 2004)
* Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
* Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
* Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
* Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
* Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
* Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
* Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
* Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
* Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
* Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
* Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
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McCain & Palin for LIFE

Against Abortion
Palin is even for creation being taught in all schools.

[corrie]

These observations are chilling - we have such laws and 'precautions' here, and they really encourage many evils which we see around here so regularly.

[Frog Prince]

This happens every election corrie. I didn't vote on this poll, and I'm not voting in the election. Obama may not be a good choice for president, and I certainly have no desire to see McCain in office - but either choice won't result in the collapse of our country. People let the accusations fly unchecked every four years, about every candidate in the running, and every four years we have another election because our country just keeps chugging along without fail. Until God decides to pull the plug on America, no one president is going to be the catalyst of some ridiculous doomsday scenario.

[Enow]

I am not voting because the people are not really doing the choosing. It is the political party.

Obama may be about change, but hasn't every President used that slogan? Anybody seen the difference when they got into office in the past? No? Becuase the political party has to be in the majority in Senate and House to bring about change, and not just rule from the White House.

And when they are in the majority, what then? Still nothing. Republican Party had their chance... and in the past, so did the Democratic Party, right? Or am I wrong?

And in spite of electing Pro-Life candidates, isn't abortion still going on in America? How is it that Planned Parenthood got federal funding then if we had elected Pro-Life candidates?? How is it abortion is still going on in America?

Maybe the subject should be taught from the pulpit as a united effort of the christian churches across this nation to not only speak against abortion but fornication as a sin that could leave a believer shy short of his or her inheritance if they continue in sin. I mean, who doesn't believe that a brother that is a fornicator will be left behind when He appears? Is that showing love for one another by ignoring the sinning brother or sister? One cannot judge outside the church, especially when a sinful lifestyle isn't being preached against within the church or even addressed and yet believers expect their government to stop one of the means for the result of this sinful lifestyle: abortion. And what are the odds that believers or members from the believers' family have sought this abortion? Kind of shows where the teaching that life begins in the womb as God knows you before you were even formed in the womb by the scriptures is key to teach in the church. No need to look down on people when the world gives us a repetitive messages about having sex before marriage as if that is an act of love or a proof of love when the message from the pulpit isn't telling believers that not having sex before marriage is an act of love towards God and those you profess to love so as to not cause the one you love to sin either. Why see someone you love or claim to be on the outs with God just because one find himself or herself unable to "contain"? Either elope... or get married, or have double dating or socials where you cannot be alone to give the devil the means to tempt you or.... just stay away from being alone with the one you love... and always depending on the Lord to lead you as your Good Shepherd to do this for no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak. That is why 1 Corinthians 7th chapter says to marry to avoid fornication. But I digress...

Since the political parties are choosing our selection to choose from, and not the people, is it really the people's votes that makes the difference? I say ... no.

Course, I am hoping for the appearing of the Lord before that time anyway since the falling away from the faith has occurred and is so bad that only a few will find it.

[Frog Prince]

I am not voting because the people are not really doing the choosing. It is the political party.

Totally agree with you on that one, for such a free country it seems odd that we are restricted to a two party system. Maybe I don't like democrats or republicans. But what good is my vote in going to a dark horse that could never possibly win? Seems like a waste of time to me that will just result in jury duty or calls from fund raising volunteers.

[Enow]

Too bad we can't get 48 Hours or 60 Minutes or Dateline or all three to do the research for a good candidate. You would think with all the background check, the F.B.I. could scrounge up a few names for those media network to peruse for research or assist in.

[Ken]

I believe that I am correct that when Jesus was on this earth, that He entered Jerusalem to go to the Syn agog through the West Gate that the poor people entered through. Did He not minister to the poor and the sick? Did He ever ask a poor person why they didn't get a job and become a productive citizen? I believed He loved the poor.

How do you know Jesus never told anyone to follow the scriptures and provide for their family? He did love the poor, but I’m sure he never said to just wait with your hand out until someone comes along to give you what you are to lazy to work for.

Proverbs 10:26 “Like vinegar to the teeth and smoke to the eyes, So is the lazy one to those who send him.”

Proverbs 6:9-10 “How long will you lie down, O sluggard? A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest - and your poverty will come in like a vagabond. And your need like an armed man.”

Proverbs 20:4 “The sluggard does not plow after the autumn, so he begs during the harvest and has nothing.”

1Tim 5:8 "But If any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith and is worse than an infidel"

2 Thess 3:6-15 "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread. But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.”

In my observations of politics in this country since 1962, the Democratic Party has tried to help the poor and underprivileged. I can remember back in the 60's when the segregationists started this talk about people who can work and won't that are being supported by tax money. It has caught on with quite a few people after all of these years. Somehow, I can't see Jesus thinking this way.

I don’t think the segregationist deserve the credit for promoting the idea that people should work for a living and not lay up with their hand out. I think you just posted this in an attempt to make people feel guilty if they think people should work for a living. I think you’ll find most people that work for a living feel this way. It’s one thing to help people that can’t provide for themselves, but it’s another to give to those that are just lazy.

The Demoncratic Party has done nothing but make promises to take from those that have money and give to the have nots in an attempt to win their vote. They only care about power and money. If they cared for the poor they’d take the millions from their personal bank accounts, or sell some of their yachts and private jets and give the money to the poor.

Matthew 19:24 “And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”

As for higher taxes, I seem to remember a booming economy in the 1990's after President Clinton raised taxes. The higher taxes did not cripple the economy, to the contrary, it boomed. I seem also to recall over the years that I have observed politics in this country that when the Democrats are in control that the economy always does better. I remember the cold war also. I remember all of the things that were said about the Communist taking over the country and the scares that were produced by the Republicans. Labor parties were Communist Controlled. They were the thing that was ruining the economy by their high wage contracts. Now after the Reagan Presidency and the Bush Presidency, labor unions are almost nonexistent and wages keep getting lower and loiwer, good paying jobs are going overseas.

Do you really believe that higher taxes helped our economy? That is ridicules. Tell us some specifics of what Clinton done that helped our economy. It’s pretty clear when he left office the economy was a mess and on the brink of a major recession. I don’t plan to defend the republicans because I don’t see many of them as much better than the other party, but the demoncrats have as much to do with jobs going over seas as the republicans. Maybe you should do some research to see what the Clinton’s role was in the free trade agreements.

I believe that those who love this country should wake up and stop listening to the Cold War type scare statements of the Republican Party and take back our country by voting Democratic.

Mt 7:15-23 “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

[red]

I'm with you frog

[corrie]

We have a few potential presidents here in South Africa.
You guys maybe wanna buy them? On second thought, you can have 'em for free!

[Ken]

We don’t want the choices we have now with the two party system. Normally 40 to 50 percent of our voting age population don’t bother to vote in presidential elections and a large percentage of ones that do are voting against the person they see as the most evil. I vote third party and hope someday they will also have a voice. Maybe what we have running this time is God’s punishment on His Children.

God’s Will Be Done

[RoyalServantMissionary]

Mhmm Very interesting to hear what you guys think. Wow, I am really awed by some of these responses, man. God Bless

[bloodwashed]

8 years of Bush, & still no Pro Life amendment to the constitution! These Dems & Repubs, only divide us, & keep their New World Order coming! Probly won't be an election anyway! Bush may put us under martal law, when the economy colapes! I think you should buy staple food & ammo!

[DBaggins]

Frankley I believe that neither should be in office. I hear all of this bash against President Bush and it's not cool. If you had the choice to have Obama, McCain, or Bush again, which would you choose? Bush has done many great things for this nation and he is a christian. I think we need to be grateful for Bush and start preparing for the times ahead, cause this nations going nowhere good with either Obama or McCain.

I totally agree! I wish GW Bush would stay in office another 10 terms.. Things aren't that bad right now :beam

[jaysmom]

A vote for Obama is a vote for the devil's agenda. No Christian who takes the Word of God seriously would ever, ever vote for a pro abortion canidate like mr. obama.

[lanabree]

I found this thread interesting as I am very interested in politics. I am Australian, but i very much support democrats or in Australia the labor party, as i believe in equality and fairness, i believe in supporting disadvantaged people for example people in poverty. And that political line believes in redistrubuting wealth so that the rich are not richer and the poor are not poorer.

[corrie]

Redistribution of wealth is a rather nice idealogy. Making it work is a different story!
Perhaps you would care to look at the economies of Zimbabwe, Zambia, South Africa? And if you could spare the time, also look at the dead bodies along the way to achieving this 'redistribution of wealth'
Zimbabwe was a thriving country - exporting food to the world.
When I asked a Zimbabwean friend now in exile in South Africa, with his family still in Zimbabwe, 'What is the price of a loaf of bread now in Zimbabwe?' - his reply was 'you can have all the bread you can lay your hands on, absolutely free of charge - simply because there IS NO BREAD'
Previously well-fed labourers, now have been given farms taken from the rich, where they can produce whatever they can - the only problem is, they can't!
So the new land owners huddle together in small communities - carrying water in buckets to irrigate small patches of maize (Amricans call it corn) - all in the hope that in three or four month's time, some of them can have a plate of food that tastes better than the weeds and grass and rats which they are forced to use for sustanance.
Of course, at the top of the ladder there are a few elite rulers who eat fine, fly around the world in private planes, and care little for their own suffering hoardes.
In South Africa, redistribution is happening daily - often - very often - hand in hand with murders, inefficiencies and great bunches of sadness.
Redistribution is seldom much different by definition than theft and robbery.
Equality and fairness are pretty nice terms - but seldom equates to equal wealth. Much rather relates to equal poverty and suffering, with a very few totally unproductive individuals living in bsolute luxury. Taken stuff, not worked for.
Forget about theories and speculation about these things. God anointed kings, and permitted slavery. God made leaders and followers.
Perhaps Mat. 13 could give a view?
Perhaps Luk 19:12 onwards will show that Jesus did not judge the weathy nobleman in His parable?

None of us mortals have any way of understanding the ways of God. Biggest problem seems to be that many think they have better ideas! They happen to be wrong. Totally wrong.

[grandma35768]

Do you see God punishing our nation.........if Obama is elected? Why? Either way you know it will the will of God. I would not view it as punishment. But I do foresee many troubling events upon the near future. I think we are all going to be in for a rough ride no matter who is president.

Grandma