Aliens/UFOs

[Javert03]

Hey all! What are your thoughts on aliens/UFOs? Specifically:

-What are they?
-Where are they from?
-Are they significant to us as Christians?

[Penny]

I think they are very significant to us

[Fidelity]

UFO? It's a bunch of rubbish. The bible doesn't tell us to beware of little green men. The bible says to beware of false Christs and false teachers, deceivers, wolves in sheeps clothing, not strange unknown men from other stars and planets..:-)

Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.


Fidelity

[Javert03]

The reason I ask about aliens/UFOs is because I just read a book entitled Alien Intrusion: UFOs and the Evolution Connection. by Gary Bates. I was totally blown away. Before reading this book I held the simplistic view that UFOs (as in extra-terrestials) were "rubbish". Here's a few things I picked up from the book:

Aliens/UFOs are not from other planets.
I already held this view, but Gary Bates gives a strong presentation of it. The idea that aliens form other planets are visiting the earth is known as ETH, or the Extra-Terrestial Hypothesis. Realizing that much of the support for ETH lies in the belief that life on earth evolved, and therefore it would logical to assume it probably evolved elsewhere, Bates spends some time debunking the myth of evolution. He does an excellent job of showing scientifically why life on earth could not have evolved.

He also delves into why the ETH doesn't fit with a Biblical worldview. For instance, just consider the curse resulting from Adam's first sin. Romans 8:22 tells us that "the whole creation groans." Why would God curse extra-terrestials for man's sin? And did Christ also go to other planets to redeem those who were under the curse? He brings up some pretty interesting points.

The Alein/UFO phenomenon is very real.
About 90% to 95% of all reported UFO sighting "can be explained as natural phenomena or man-made technologies." Of those that can't be explianed, many remain a mystery simply because there just isn't enough information to go on. But of those that remain, many really are mysterious. Following is a quote from chapter 5:
It is claimed that on occasion there has been some collateral physical evidence. The most difficult to refute are scorch marks, depressions in the ground, and burnt or damaged plants that sometimes take much longer than expected to recover...There have been electromagnetic disturbances associated with sightings, causing outages and interference in electrical systems, car motors, and communication devices. And of course many UFOs have been sighted on radars.

There are also physical effects on humans and animals. Dogs, cattle, and other types of creatures very commonly give the indication of being "spooked" just prior to and during UFO sightings. Humans have experienced dizziness, headaches, various pains, nausea, and a whole range of differing symptoms during an encounter.

Aliens are trying to change our religion
Many people report being abducted by aliens. Interestingly, most of those who are abducted have radical changes in their worldview after the event. Perhaps even more interesting, those radical changes consistently tend toward New Age and Occultic beliefs. Gary Bates quotes numerous scientists and researchers claiming that the UFOs are conditioning people's religious beliefs, convincing them that demonstrable lies are true, and twisting scripture to prove their point. He likens it to when Satan quoted scripture to Jesus in his effort to tempt Him.

Abductions halted in the name of Jesus
From chapter seven:
What follows it the case of Bill D. (writting by, and reproduced here courtesy of, CE-4 Research Group Inc.).
Bill's experience took place at Christmas in Florida in 1976. His abduction started out typically, i.e., late at night, in bed. Earlier in the evening he saw some anomalous lights through his living room window over a forest north of his house. He assumed it was a police helicopter searching for drug runners or something. Whatever it was, it agitated his dogs for several hours thereafter. He eventually went to bed.

He was lying in bed, kept wide awake by the barking dogs, when paralysis set in. He was unable to cry out. He could see nothing but a whitish gray, like a mist or fog, although he sensed someone or something was in his room. His wife didn't awaken. The next thing he knew, he was being levitated above his bed. He then had the sensation he was being suspended by what felt like a pole inserted into his rectum. By this time,he was alive with terror, but he couldn't scream. Here is where the story becomes very interesting. The following is an excerpt taken directly from the transcript of Mr. D.'s interview:

"I thought I was having a satanic experience; that the devil had gotten a hold of me and had shoved a pole up my rectum and was holding me up in the air....So helpless, I couldn't do anything. I said, 'Jesus, Jesus, help me!' or 'Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!' When I did, there was a feeling or a sound or something that either my words that I thought or the words that I had tried to say or whatever, had hurt whatever was holding me up in the air on this pole. And I felt like it was withdrawn and I fell. I hit the bed, because it was like I was thrown back in bed. I really can't tell, but when I did, my wife woke up and asked why I was jumping on the bed."

I shouldn't quote much more. I'm probably already violating some copyright law. :-D But you get the idea. Gary Bates goes on to make the claim that aliens/UFOs are really demons trying to decieve us. Obviously I'm no expert and can't convince you one way or the other, but if you're at all interested, I would highly recommend this book. Very intriguing.

[Godsent]

UFO? It's a bunch of rubbish. The bible doesn't tell us to beware of little green men. The bible says to beware of false Christs and false teachers, deceivers, wolves in sheeps clothing, not strange unknown men from other stars and planets..:-)

Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.


Fidelity
Amen fidelity good way to put that...aliens and ufos javert ur gotta be kidding me on that one. They dont exist and they are in no way significant to us cuz God is all we need for today tommorrow and for forever. I dont know about u but i answer to a higher power and to God be the glory.

[Tamara224]

I think the UFO phenomenon is real and that people have real experiences with 'aliens'. I just think that 'aliens' are demons.

I took a class in college about UFOs. The class involved reading a lot of material on the phenomenon, including the best-seller abduction accounts such as Intruders and Missing Time by Bud Hopkins. Until I had taken that class and read some of those books, I thought th UFO thing was caused by a bunch of hyperactive attention-craving wackos. I don't think that anymore.

After I read the books I mentioned by Bud Hopkins, I came to the conclusion that 'alien abductions' are demonic. Hopkins described several abduction encounters that left no doubt in my mind as to their origin. The 'aliens' inspired unexplained and irrational fear in the minds of the 'abductees.' The abductees reported being able to sense an 'evil presence' in the room although nothing could be seen. They also reported being unable to move because they were paralyzed with fear. The enounters sounded exactly like encounters with demons. In fact, I was reading one of the books once and had to stop and pray and bind up the evil spirits in the name of Jesus because I realized that I was inviting demonic activity by reading it. :( It was similar to watching a movie that has a demonic spirit on it.

Also, I noticed that every time an 'alien' gave information about their purpose, goals, intentions, it came with a message about how Christianity was wrong. It seems that 'aliens' are very intent on making the 'abductees' reject Christ. In most of the accounts we read for class, the aliens attempted to 'convert' the abductees to New Age or occultic views. Often the aliens claimed they were here to guide humans to our next evolutionary step.

Another interesting factoid is that many people who had 'encounters' with 'aliens' reported that the aliens are anticipating an evolutionary step which 'mother earth' will go through soon. Before 'mother earth' can evolve, however, bad influences must be removed from the planet to facilitate the evolutionary step. The 'bad influences' are people who are not ready for the evolution because they still believe in God and that only one religion is true. The 'aliens' have said that they are going to remove the 'unevolved' from the planet so that the rest of the human race can evolve with 'Mother earth'. According to some 'aliens', there will be a 'mass ejection' of those not ready to evolve and it will be suddenly and without warning. And when the Christians are gone, the rest of the planet will be able to 'move forward.'

A couple of years after my class I ran across a book called Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men: A Rational Christian Look at Ufos and Extraterrestrials by Hugh Ross. Ross came to the same conclusion ... that aliens are actually demons and their agenda is to decieve people - as it has always been. Ross also had some very interesting thoughts about the ultimate goal of the alien deception. If anyone is interested, I suggest you read this book.

[Godsent]

The reason I ask about aliens/UFOs is because I just read a book entitled Alien Intrusion: UFOs and the Evolution Connection. by Gary Bates. I was totally blown away. Before reading this book I held the simplistic view that UFOs (as in extra-terrestials) were "rubbish". Here's a few things I picked up from the book:

Aliens/UFOs are not from other planets.
I already held this view, but Gary Bates gives a strong presentation of it. The idea that aliens form other planets are visiting the earth is known as ETH, or the Extra-Terrestial Hypothesis. Realizing that much of the support for ETH lies in the belief that life on earth evolved, and therefore it would logical to assume it probably evolved elsewhere, Bates spends some time debunking the myth of evolution. He does an excellent job of showing scientifically why life on earth could not have evolved.

He also delves into why the ETH doesn't fit with a Biblical worldview. For instance, just consider the curse resulting from Adam's first sin. Romans 8:22 tells us that "the whole creation groans." Why would God curse extra-terrestials for man's sin? And did Christ also go to other planets to redeem those who were under the curse? He brings up some pretty interesting points.

The Alein/UFO phenomenon is very real.
About 90% to 95% of all reported UFO sighting "can be explained as natural phenomena or man-made technologies." Of those that can't be explianed, many remain a mystery simply because there just isn't enough information to go on. But of those that remain, many really are mysterious. Following is a quote from chapter 5:


Aliens are trying to change our religion
Many people report being abducted by aliens. Interestingly, most of those who are abducted have radical changes in their worldview after the event. Perhaps even more interesting, those radical changes consistently tend toward New Age and Occultic beliefs. Gary Bates quotes numerous scientists and researchers claiming that the UFOs are conditioning people's religious beliefs, convincing them that demonstrable lies are true, and twisting scripture to prove their point. He likens it to when Satan quoted scripture to Jesus in his effort to tempt Him.

Abductions halted in the name of Jesus
From chapter seven:


I shouldn't quote much more. I'm probably already violating some copyright law. :-D But you get the idea. Gary Bates goes on to make the claim that aliens/UFOs are really demons trying to decieve us. Obviously I'm no expert and can't convince you one way or the other, but if you're at all interested, I would highly recommend this book. Very intriguing.
Statiscs, Statiscs, Statiscs. How bout give us some truth from the bible that has been around for a very very long time. Tell where in the bible does it say aliens came in the picture? I get my answers from the bible cuz its the truth and the Lord said i am the way the truth and the Life no man cometh unto me but by the Father. So what God gives us is truth too...he gave us his son who was truth and he gave us the bible which is the truth. So please give me some verses now from the word of truth or just stop trying to cultivate something into our religion that doesnt even belong there.

[Javert03]

Statiscs, Statiscs, Statiscs. How bout give us some truth from the bible that has been around for a very very long time. Tell where in the bible does it say aliens came in the picture? I get my answers from the bible cuz its the truth and the Lord said i am the way the truth and the Life no man cometh unto me but by the Father. So what God gives us is truth too...he gave us his son who was truth and he gave us the bible which is the truth. So please give me some verses now from the word of truth or just stop trying to cultivate something into our religion that doesnt even belong there.

Sorry if I was a little unclear. I thought it would be obvious how "aliens came into the picture". I'm wondering if you even read my complete post. The point I was trying to bring out was that many of the encounters with "aliens" are really encounters with demons. I'm sure you would agree there are demons in the Bible. Notice some similarities:

So-called aliens twist the Word of God to brainwash people and harden their hearts toward the Gospel.

So-called aliens use telepathy, out-of-body experiences, and channeling, (all demonic and occultic, but very real, practices) to control and possess people.

So-called aliens can be "cast out" in the name of Christ.

These contacts have been going on throughout time. Only now, in this day and age of technology, where the world denies the existence of a spiritual reality, contactees believe they are comminicating with aliens from other planets! It's the same old adversary, he's just taken a more "modern" approach.

In war, military planners and advisors do all they can to confuse the enemy, to catch them off guard, to get in where they're least least expected. It makes sense that Satan and his minions would try to trick mankind into thinking that that they're harmless little green men. We as Christians all too often just dismiss the issue because it's silly. But isn't that giving Satan the advantage? If you were him, wouldn't you want your greatest enemy to not recognize your handiwork?

[germanJoy]

Hey all! What are your thoughts on aliens/UFOs? Specifically:

-What are they?
-Where are they from?
-Are they significant to us as Christians?
Anything spectacular (beyond man's reasoning) occurring here on earth has been from the beginning of creation seen in the bible as either God's works through His own hands (or His angels) or Satan's works through his demons and evil spirits. Tamara is right to say that UFO's exist but not as what human thinks they really are. I am sure that if an angel of God would come and manifest itself, the world would see this angel as an "UFO" as well. The point is christians should recognized that UFOs are spirits (can be from God or from the devil) and should be ready for it. We will know and we will be able to test which spirit is from God and which not. After all, we have the mind of Christ and the Holy Spirit of God dwelling in us. Greater is He (Holy Spirit) who is in us than he (evil spirit/UFOs) who is in the world. :)

Today in our modern world the manifestation of these spirits are called "Unidentified Flying Object". Modern Science has led human beings to solely depend on observations and believe only what can be logically explained. However, the only good side of science is its ability to confirm the hand of a Creator in all the wonders in the earth.

[Andrewaust]

This ufo talk has left me alienated lol

[TopDog]

just because its not mentioned in the Bible does not mean their cant be life on other Planets. God doesnt tell us everything!

I cant remember who sinss it but there is a song by a Christian artist that has lyrics similar to "I belive that if theres life on another planet Jesus went there and died for them too" which I tought was pretty nice!

[Javert03]

just because its not mentioned in the Bible does not mean their cant be life on other Planets. God doesnt tell us everything!

I cant remember who sinss it but there is a song by a Christian artist that has lyrics similar to "I belive that if theres life on another planet Jesus went there and died for them too" which I tought was pretty nice!

1 Peter 3:18

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God...


Christ only suffered once. He did so to bring us to God.

[TopDog]

thats me corrected! Forgive me - its been a while since I discussed anything like this. Perhaps I should not have posted.

[Tamara224]

just because its not mentioned in the Bible does not mean their cant be life on other Planets. God doesnt tell us everything!

I cant remember who sinss it but there is a song by a Christian artist that has lyrics similar to "I belive that if theres life on another planet Jesus went there and died for them too" which I tought was pretty nice!

I think that's a valid point, notwithstanding the verse quoted earlier about Christ dying once. The Bible doesn't tell us everything - only what we need to know. There is nothing in the Bible that says, specifically, that humans are the only sentient creation in our universe.

However, like I said, the Bible does tell us everything we need to know. And if 'aliens' are really coming to earth, wouldn't we need to know that? If there are extra-terrestrials in our universe, I think we will never know that here on earth. Because we have not been equipped to deal with them.

What we know about the so-called 'aliens' that are supposedly abducting, contacting, and being seen by people, is that their 'message' is against Christ. Their tactics are evil. Furthermore, the similarities between 'alien' encounters and demonic encounters are striking. We must judge what the truth is about aliens the same way we judge all other matters. We see how things line up with the Word of God.

So whether there are actually aliens/extraterrestrials or not may be unknowable for us but we do know (based on the evidence before us) that the alien visitations are most likely demonic in origin rather than extraterrestrial.

I personally do not think there are other planets with life on them in our universe. It's totally possible ... but I think not likely. I mean, if God has a billion other universes with 'people' in them, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. But, it seems he made this universe for us and only us.

[Godsent]

Anything spectacular (beyond man's reasoning) occurring here on earth has been from the beginning of creation seen in the bible as either God's works through His own hands (or His angels) or Satan's works through his demons and evil spirits. Tamara is right to say that UFO's exist but not as what human thinks they really are. I am sure that if an angel of God would come and manifest itself, the world would see this angel as an "UFO" as well. The point is christians should recognized that UFOs are spirits (can be from God or from the devil) and should be ready for it. We will know and we will be able to test which spirit is from God and which not. After all, we have the mind of Christ and the Holy Spirit of God dwelling in us. Greater is He (Holy Spirit) who is in us than he (evil spirit/UFOs) who is in the world. :)

Today in our modern world the manifestation of these spirits are called "Unidentified Flying Object". Modern Science has led human beings to solely depend on observations and believe only what can be logically explained. However, the only good side of science is its ability to confirm the hand of a Creator in all the wonders in the earth.
Good point German Joy...and now that i think about it a alien is anything not normal to the area were in. For instance when someone comes across seas to live here in the US they are defined as aliens for a short while. So yes now i do agree that their is aliens but their not visible and i dont see little green men running around speaking a language i dont know though. Thanks for ur message :)

[blueheron32]

"I personally do not think there are other planets with life on them in our universe. It's totally possible ... but I think not likely. I mean, if God has a billion other universes with 'people' in them, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. But, it seems he made this universe for us and only us."

A passage that may have some bearing on the idea that there are probably not "People" on other planets, is ....

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

We see here the complete and total destruction of the universe, prior to the creation of the new heavens and new earth....the implication being, that if there was other life in one of those billions of planets, it too will be destroyed, it too is sin cursed. Just a thought...

blueheron32

[Redeemed777]

Yea like the Movie "Signs" (Mel Gibson) is a movie about aliens but its not some pointless shoot them up, but it shows how the envasion of aliens affected ones mans life to coming and becomeing faithful in christ again.
So the point like previosly stated is that anything that happens isnt out of God's power and that he hasnt created or dosnt know about. And since God made the heavens and the earth we got nothing to worry about just put our faith in him, its called the freedom of a Christian

[dill987]

I don't think that there is UFO's but there is sea monters in the sea and it says in the bible

[Rylee]

Let me make it clear that IMHO that aliens, UFO's, and all of the sort are made up by those with overactive imaginations that are looking for *something* supernatural. Of course, there is paranormal activity out there, there's no denying that, but aliens and UFO's, I think, aren't part of that. However, I would like to show that I'm capable of being unbiased and looking at both sides of the argument before making a judgment call: I did find these sites for the original poster though, just in case s/he would like to research the topic further; or, they're for anybody who has a general interest in the connection between the Word and aliens/UFO's.


UFO's and the Bible (http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ufos.html)
The Bible/UFO Connection (http://www.bibleufo.com/)
Alien Resistance (http://www.alienresistance.org/)
UFO's and the Bible (diff. site) (http://www.bebaptized.org/ufos.htm)
Aliens in the Bible (http://www.doomsdayguide.org/UFO/ufo_aliens_in_the_bible.htm)
UFO's in the Bible (http://ufo.whipnet.org/creation/ufo.bible/)

[Bikn4God]

Amazing.... lol

A little spaceship lands at a truck stop... the little alien says to the person at the checkout counter... "Take me to your mens room..."



Aliens huh? Umm...the last time I checked, the Bible does not tell us that God created anyone else. If He did, it was of such relative unimportance that it did not matter in our lives or His plans for us.

With all the matters at hand that face us nowadays, and the upcoming return of Christ, I don't see how aliens and spaceships could even be a factor for us to consider. There are bigger fish to fry... I'm going fishing!

CJ
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