Pro 27:14 Any thoughts:

[OneJoe]

Pro 27:14 He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this particular verse. I've had some difficulty fully grasping what is being said here. So I'm curious to see what others think.

May the lord bless us all in his word..:-)



Onejoe

[Jessica910]

My NIV says "If a man loudly blesses his neighbor early in the morning, it will be taken as a curse." I think it means that you can do something with good intentions, but if done in the wrong way, it can have an adverse effect.

[Angel]

Hah! Maybe it just means that some people do not like to be woken up early in the morning by another with a loud voice and the person being woken does not thank the other! Just a thought! :-D

Angel :af

[OneVoice]

Pro 27:14 He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this particular verse. I've had some difficulty fully grasping what is being said here. So I'm curious to see what others think.

May the lord bless us all in his word..:-)



Onejoe

Looks like you got a couple of thoughts.
But if we go to the BIBLE we see that God has provided clarity

When I want ooodles of cross referneces I go to the NASB
14(P (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%2027%20;&version=49;#cen-NASB-17184P))He who blesses his friend with a loud voice early in the morning,
It will be reckoned a curse to him.
(P) Proverbs 27:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%2027%20;&version=49;#en-NASB-17184) : Ps 12:2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 12:2&version=49)

2They (A (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 12:2&version=49#cen-NASB-14069A))speak falsehood to one another;
With (B (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 12:2&version=49#cen-NASB-14069B))flattering lips and with a double heart they speak.

Cross references: <LI id=cen-NASB-14069A>Psalm 12:2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 12:2&version=49#en-NASB-14069) : Ps 10:7; 41:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 10:7; 41:6&version=49) 7His (A (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 10:7; 41:6&version=49#cen-NASB-14049A))mouth is full of curses and deceit and (B (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 10:7; 41:6&version=49#cen-NASB-14049B))oppression;
(C (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 10:7; 41:6&version=49#cen-NASB-14049C))Under his tongue is mischief and wickedness.
Psalm 12:2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 12:2&version=49#en-NASB-14069) : Ps 28:3; 55:21; Jer 9:8; Rom 16:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps 28:3; 55:21; Jer 9:8; Rom 16:18&version=49)Psalm 28:3


View commentary related to this passage (http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/?action=getCommentaryText&cid=36&source=2&seq=i.23.28.1)


3(A (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps%2028:3;%2055:21,%20Prov%2027:14;%20Jer% 209:8;%20Rom%2016:18;&version=49;#cen-NASB-14303A))Do not drag me away with the wicked
And with those who work iniquity,
Who (B (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps%2028:3;%2055:21,%20Prov%2027:14;%20Jer% 209:8;%20Rom%2016:18;&version=49;#cen-NASB-14303B))speak peace with their neighbors,
While evil is in their hearts.
Jeremiah 9:8




8"Their (A (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps%2028:3;%2055:21,%20Prov%2027:14;%20Jer% 209:8;%20Rom%2016:18;&version=49;#cen-NASB-19184A))tongue is a deadly arrow;
It speaks deceit;
With his mouth one (B (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps%2028:3;%2055:21,%20Prov%2027:14;%20Jer% 209:8;%20Rom%2016:18;&version=49;#cen-NASB-19184B))speaks peace to his neighbor,
But inwardly he (C (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps%2028:3;%2055:21,%20Prov%2027:14;%20Jer% 209:8;%20Rom%2016:18;&version=49;#cen-NASB-19184C))sets an ambush for him.

and... reading a little more than the one verse right after iot we see

It is folly to be fond of being praised; it is a temptation to pride. (Pr 27:15)

There is a pride element in the praising of this kind. Infact all praise should be for and directed TO God alone.
If a neighbor is a good friend then acknowledge God for both the friend and that he is so near and faithful.
It is God who molds the hearts, and orchestrates the circumstances and orders the deatials of the lives of all.

So if you run out to the yard and shout to the neighborhood that you pal is a great human being and he is to be praise, what has been done is a bolstering of pride for oneself about having a good place in the neighborhood.
Temptation to pride falls on the neighbor.
Temptation for dispute and dishamony and resenment falls on the hearing neighborhood.

And hearts are pricked by the thorny roots of bitterness and resenment.

Not only this, but the neighbor has been glorified before the day has even progressed long enough for him to do anything pridefully called "good."

I was thinking also of the scripbe who was sent to Jesus and say "Good teacher.."
He did two things.
He claimed a goodness of his own by saying he knew Jesus was good.
And he told a lie, either of his own or for the Pharisees, because they rejected Him as the Messiah and Son of the Living God.

Jesus told him "Why do you call me good. Only God is good."
Since they didn't believe He was God incarnate they claimed a goodness for themselves and of themselves.
But Jesus correctly said no one but God is good. And Paul obediently recorded that all have sinned (and there for are not good) and fall short. And the Psalms, Esp. Psalm 51, say no one is good. All are born into sin.

To claim any of us are "good" is a lie. Apart from Jesus we are nothing good and can do nothing truely selflessly good, as HE , AS GOD, is and does good.

To praise anyone but God, is idolotry.
And so all this is rightly cursed behavior.
And God does condemn it.

Exodus 20... have no other gods before Me...
anything that comes ahead of God for any reason or in any situation, is an idol.

hope this will make sense and help you readers.
To God be the glory. Great things He has done!
OneVoice

[TheCowExpert]

I think it means don't call on your friend every morning when they are asleep. I mean, they might SAY some curse words. I don't know. That's what I think it says.

[Babbler]

Pro 27:14 He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this particular verse. I've had some difficulty fully grasping what is being said here. So I'm curious to see what others think.

May the lord bless us all in his word..:-)



Onejoe
Maybe it's suggesting we should not make a nuicense of ourselves?
loud voice....? early in the morning....?
I can think of bette ways to bless, can't you?

[Ironside]

Pro 27:14 He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this particular verse. I've had some difficulty fully grasping what is being said here. So I'm curious to see what others think.

May the lord bless us all in his word..:-)



Onejoe

You may mess with a drunk man but not a man just out of sleep.

[TheTreeOfLife]

Pro 27:14 Whoever blesses his friend early in the morning with a loud voice- his blessing is considered a curse.

Barnes commentary:
"The picture of the ostentatious flatterer going at daybreak to pour out blessings on his patron. For any good that he does, for any thanks he gets, he might as well utter curses."


Clarke commentary:
" He who makes loud and public protestations of acknowledgments to his friend for favors received, subjects his sincerity to suspicion; and remember the Italian proverb elsewhere quoted: - “He who praises you more than he was wont to do, has either deceived you, or is about to do it.” Extravagant public professions are little to be regarded."

Try reading this way, "If you wake your friend in the early morning by shouting "Rise and shine!" It will sound to him more like a curse than a blessing."

[blueheron32]

Hi onejoe..:-)

Ive been thinking about this verse and listening to others ideas...:-) they are all worth consideration...I think...let me throw another one in...

what is the greatest blessing a man would wish for his neighbor or friend.? Salvation. Our desire above all else is that those we know will come to be saved...it is the ultimate good...but God has a timetable for such things. He knows the ones he has chosen to be saved, and he knows when he will bring that to pass... and before that time the gospel message is often heard as an offense, because it is too early. It is not yet Gods time to save, but still the gospel goes forth, and is recieved as a curse to the one who hears, but is not yet being called by the Father. However when the time is fulfilled and God begins to draw the one he is saving to himself, then the blessing will no longer be seen as a curse but the blessing it really is...and then there will be joy in the recieving of the blessing offered...

just a thought
blueheron32

[germanJoy]

Well, as a filipino I can sympathize how a friend would feel in Prov. 27:14:LOL

Americans may not know this habit but in my homeland, we have a 24 hrs. open house for relatives, friends, neighbours, etc. What I hated most in the past was to be awakened from sleep by (which was a normal behaviour) a shout of greetings whether good or bad early in the morning. You just could imagine how I felt! :-( I guess that was what the verse is all about. :-)

[Godsent]

Pro 27:14 He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this particular verse. I've had some difficulty fully grasping what is being said here. So I'm curious to see what others think.

May the lord bless us all in his word..:-)



Onejoe
Heres what i think with this verse...A man doesnt appreciate loud, flattering greetings early in the morning when he is trying to sleep. They are more of a nuisance than a blessing. Wow im the same way...im like im sleeping now i will enjoy talking to u and everything after i get done sleeping.

[Echo]

Apparently you have never enjoyed the annoyance of a friend bursting into your house and shouting in your ear as you were comfortably sleeping. Or the sound of some loud car or something to disturb the tranquility of the morning.

[hearthammer]

Just my thoughts on this verse, but I believe it is speaking against being obnoxious. Hey you try to go cheer up someone before they've had their first cup of coffee. ;)
Take Care and God Bless

[jeetkunejimi]

Hi onejoe,
Here's the answer to your question concerning (Prov 27:14), if a man claiming to be a friend bigs you up for the sole purpose of other's to merely see him doing so, i.e., with a loud voice, so onlookers will think he's wonderful but he's not really that interested in your virtues a true humble person will see through that so called friends deciet and know he is acursed in his motives.
Early in the morning is a way of saying that the decietful friend is always ready to seek a photo oppertunity to use you to their own ends. These types of friends seem to be doing you a service but they always have a hidden agenda that profits them.
Hope this has been of some help, and that you can see this truth my brother. Amen

[papawjam]

My first thought is , dont do it

[beloved57]

I did not have the slightest, but Matthew henry has this to say:

14 He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.

Note, 1. It is a great folly to be extravagant in praising even the best of our friends and benefactors. It is our duty to give every one his due praise, to applaud those who excel in knowledge, virtue, and usefulness, and to acknowledge the kindnesses we have received with thankfulness; but to do this with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, to be always harping on this string, in all companies, even to our friend's face, or so as that he may be sure to hear it, to do it studiously, as we do that which we rise early to, to magnify the merits of our friend above measure and with hyperboles, is fulsome, and nauseous, and savours of hypocrisy and design. Praising men for what they have done is only to get more out of them; and every body concludes the parasite hopes to be well paid for his panegyric or epistle dedicatory. We must not give that praise to our friend which is due to God only, as some think is intimated in rising early to do it; for in the morning God is to be praised. We must not make too much haste to praise men (so some understand it), not cry up men too soon for their abilities and performances, but let them first be proved; lest they be lifted up with pride, and laid to sleep in idleness. 2. It is a greater folly to be fond of being ourselves extravagantly praised. A wise man rather counts it a curse, and a reflection upon him, not only designed to pick his pocket, but which may really turn to his prejudice. Modest praises (as a great man observes) invite such as are present to add to the commendation, but immodest immoderate praises tempt them to detract rather, and to censure one that they hear over-commended. And, besides, over-praising a man makes him the object of envy; every man puts in for a share of reputation, and therefore reckons himself injured if another monopolize it or have more given him than his share. And the greatest danger of all is that it is a temptation to pride; men are apt to think of themselves above what is meet when others speak of them above what is meet. See how careful blessed Paul was not to be over-valued, 2 Cor. xii. 6.

[jellico25w]

Pro 27:14 He that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this particular verse. I've had some difficulty fully grasping what is being said here. So I'm curious to see what others think.

May the lord bless us all in his word..:-)



Onejoe
Hey OneJoe, from reflecting on this verse some this evening it appears to me that he is trying to draw attention to himself with his loud voice "early" when noise would be well heard and much people may hear? Thinking maybe his flattery will get him rewarded? jellico.