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romans 8:17
01-24-2006, 04:57 PM
aNimals in heaven? check this out what do u think?


"The Bible teaches that "all flesh shall see the salvation of God" (Lk.3:6) and that "all the living things in creation - everything that lives in the air, and on the ground, and under the ground, and in the sea" will praise Yahweh and the Lamb" (Rev.5:13). God's care and love extends to even the humble sparrow (Lk.12:6) and He has promised that He will restore all living things (Ac.3:21; Eph.1:10). Death as a whole will be annulled or abolished (1 Cor.15:25-26; 2 Tim.1:10) and the whole creation will be renewed (Rev.21:4-5). The resurrection will affect all celestial (heavenly) creatures and all terrestrial (earthly) ones (1 Cor.15:35-42).
.The Bible teaches that "all flesh shall see the salvation of God" (Lk.3:6) and that "all the living things in creation - everything that lives in the air, and on the ground, and under the ground, and in the sea" will praise Yahweh and the Lamb" (Rev.5:13). God's care and love extends to even the humble sparrow (Lk.12:6) and He has promised that He will restore all living things (Ac.3:21; Eph.1:10). Death as a whole will be annulled or abolished (1 Cor.15:25-26; 2 Tim.1:10) and the whole creation will be renewed (Rev.21:4-5). The resurrection will affect all celestial (heavenly) creatures and all terrestrial (earthly) ones (1 Cor.15:35-42). There will be a world-wide restoration of all life in its perfect frame - the curse pronounced by God after the Fall will be reversed - parasites will no longer live a parasitical lifestyle, carnivorous animals will become vegetarians, and all will be at peace.
ROMANS 8:19-21 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
(KJV).
LUKE 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.'" (NKJ)
ACTS 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. (KJV)
REV. 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (KJV)
REV. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (KJV
ECCLESIASTES 3:18 I said in my heart, "Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals”. (NKJ)
ECCLESIASTES 3:19-20 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath, man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust and to dust all return. (NIV)
rOMANS 8:19-21 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
(KJV).
PSALM 36:6 Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O LORD. (NRS)
PSALM 104:29 Thou hidest Thy face -- they are troubled, Thou gatherest their spirit -- they expire, and unto their dust they turn back. (YLT)
GENESIS 1:30 and to every animal of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth on the earth, in which is a living soul, every green herb for food. And it was so. (DBY)
And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation (Numbers 16:22 KJV) These are three of the scriptures mentioned in various books of the Bible referring to the spirit of the animals.
Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath (spirit) of all mankind. (Job 12:9-10 KJV)
"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is a living soul, [I have given] every green herb for food.' And it was so. (Genesis 1:30 Holy Scriptures)






"I decided that God is testing us, to show us that we are no better than animals. After all, the same fate awaits man and animals alike. One dies just like the other. They are the same kind of creature. A human being is no better off than an animal, because life has no meaning for either. They are both going to the same place - the dust. They both came from it; they will both go back to it. How can anyone be sure that a man's spirit goes upward while an animal's spirit goes down into the ground?"
(Ecclesiastes 3:18-21 TEV)
God has dominion over both his lesser creatures and man. All souls belong to Him and God can do with all His creatures whatever He chooses. The Book of Job says:
"Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind."
(Job 12:9-10 KJV)
And the bow shall be in the clouds, and I shall see it, and shall remember the everlasting covenant that was made between God and every living soul of all flesh which is upon the earth."
(Genesis 9:3-16)
"Let everything he has made give praise to him. For he issues his command, and they came into being; he established them forever and forever. His orders will never be revoked."
(Psalm 148:5-6 TLB)

TheCowExpert
01-24-2006, 05:30 PM
The thing is, what lets us humans go to heaven? Asking Jesus to come into our hearts and take our sins away. Animals were not made in the image of God (to know right from wrong, to understand salvation, ect.)
"And God said, Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So, God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:26&27) This shows that we are supposed to have dominion over the animals--now, in the world, aren't the creatures who are most competent supposed to rule the less competent one, like Jesus leads us because he is way smarter than we are. This shows that we are smarter than the animals. The animals have no idea how to be saved or even if somebody told them, they wouldn't be able to understand it. Thus, they will not be able to go to Heaven. There will be animals in Heaven (Revelation talks about horses) but these are ones that God made in Heaven, not ones that were here on earth and then went to Heaven.

romans 8:17
01-24-2006, 05:45 PM
I dont know aobut that animals have a spirit but didnt need to be saved in the same way because they didnt sin, i just strongly belive they go to heaven.

TheCowExpert
01-24-2006, 07:29 PM
First of all, because animals weren't created as humans, of course they don't sin, but God didn't send Jesus into the world for animals. Okay, so you think that animals have a spirit:
"But there is a spirit in MAN:and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding." (Job 32:8) No where in the verse does it say that man AND animals have a spirit. Just man. If animals did have a spirit, why wouldn't they understand the things we do? It says that the Spirit gives them understanding.
Also, "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" (Ecclesiastes 3:21) and "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." (I Corinthians 15:39)
Let's say animals did go to heaven...that means all the animals would go to heaven, like bears and mosquitoes and snakes....wouldn't it be hard to have a good heaven if there were pesky animals like that running around?

romans 8:17
01-25-2006, 10:50 AM
Like in the garden of eden before us humans sinned and subjected animals to the curse (read roman 8:18-22) animals were at peace. God has created us in his image but they are also his glory. Everything he has created shows his glory. Animlas have a spritit lok at the verse you just said. Esslesiaties. Who is to say that the spirit of a human goes up and that of an animal goes down?

TheTreeOfLife
01-25-2006, 04:16 PM
Animals will dwell in the new earth...don't take my word for it...read Isaiah 65

Isa 65:17 "Pay close attention now: I'm creating new heavens and a new earth. All the earlier troubles, chaos, and pain are things of the past, to be forgotten.
Isa 65:18 Look ahead with joy. Anticipate what I'm creating: I'll create Jerusalem as sheer joy, create my people as pure delight.
Isa 65:19 I'll take joy in Jerusalem, take delight in my people: No more sounds of weeping in the city, no cries of anguish;
Isa 65:20 No more babies dying in the cradle, or old people who don't enjoy a full lifetime; One-hundredth birthdays will be considered normal-- anything less will seem like a cheat.
Isa 65:21 They'll build houses and move in. They'll plant fields and eat what they grow.
Isa 65:22 No more building a house that some outsider takes over, No more planting fields that some enemy confiscates, For my people will be as long-lived as trees, my chosen ones will have satisfaction in their work.
Isa 65:23 They won't work and have nothing come of it, they won't have children snatched out from under them. For they themselves are plantings blessed by GOD, with their children and grandchildren likewise GOD-blessed.
Isa 65:24 Before they call out, I'll answer. Before they've finished speaking, I'll have heard.
Isa 65:25 Wolf and lamb will graze the same meadow, lion and ox eat straw from the same trough, but snakes--they'll get a diet of dirt! Neither animal nor human will hurt or kill anywhere on my Holy Mountain," says GOD.

romans 8:17
01-25-2006, 04:36 PM
I Agree Thx !

TheCowExpert
01-25-2006, 05:32 PM
Esslesiaties. Who is to say that the spirit of a human goes up and that of an animal goes down?
The Bible says it.

TheCowExpert
01-25-2006, 05:37 PM
Animals will dwell in the new earth...don't take my word for it...read Isaiah 65

Isa 65:17 "Pay close attention now: I'm creating new heavens and a new earth. All the earlier troubles, chaos, and pain are things of the past, to be forgotten.
Isa 65:18 Look ahead with joy. Anticipate what I'm creating: I'll create Jerusalem as sheer joy, create my people as pure delight.
Isa 65:19 I'll take joy in Jerusalem, take delight in my people: No more sounds of weeping in the city, no cries of anguish;
Isa 65:20 No more babies dying in the cradle, or old people who don't enjoy a full lifetime; One-hundredth birthdays will be considered normal-- anything less will seem like a cheat.
Isa 65:21 They'll build houses and move in. They'll plant fields and eat what they grow.
Isa 65:22 No more building a house that some outsider takes over, No more planting fields that some enemy confiscates, For my people will be as long-lived as trees, my chosen ones will have satisfaction in their work.
Isa 65:23 They won't work and have nothing come of it, they won't have children snatched out from under them. For they themselves are plantings blessed by GOD, with their children and grandchildren likewise GOD-blessed.
Isa 65:24 Before they call out, I'll answer. Before they've finished speaking, I'll have heard.
Isa 65:25 Wolf and lamb will graze the same meadow, lion and ox eat straw from the same trough, but snakes--they'll get a diet of dirt! Neither animal nor human will hurt or kill anywhere on my Holy Mountain," says GOD.
There will be animals in the New Earth. But I don't think our pets will be in Heaven. God will create new animals for the New Earth, because the new earth is not the same as Heaven.
"For as the new heavens and earth, whicn I will make, shall remain me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain." (Isaiah 66:22)

not4gotton
01-27-2006, 03:47 PM
You are right Elizabeth !