Why do people refrain from using the divine name?

[proskyno]

The most common name in the Bible is that of God. It appears about 7000 times throughout, but most people don't even know it....and won't recognize when it appears in passages they are reading.

The name is made of four Hebrew letters that translate to either YHWH or JHWH. It is pronunced either Yahweh or, more commonly, Jehovah.

It does show up in the King James Bible at Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18 and a few other places.....but in the actual scripts it appears every place you see the word LORD in all capital letters.

For example, a popular verse everyone should know:

PS 23:1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. (KJV)
~ is better translated ~
PS 23:1 Jehovah is my shepherd; I shall not want (ASV)

In fact, anytime you see the word 'LORD', like that, in all capitals - it is actually the name. Yet the name, for no apparent reason, has been stripped from nearly all modern Bibles.

Compare two versions of Psalm 110....

(KJV) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
(ASV) Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Which makes more sense?

Why is the name stripped out of the Bible though? There is no good reason for this. There really is no excuse. Actually, the Bible makes it very clear that we should praise the name of God.....remember how Jesus said we should pray in Matthew:

Our Father which art in heaven, HALLOWED BE THY NAME.

Long ago they used it regularly, look at Ruth 2:4:

And, behold, Boaz came from Bethlehem, and said unto the reapers, The LORD with you. And they answered him, The LORD bless thee.

Obviously they said what was written...."Jehovah be with you" and "Jehovah bless thee", not what the latest Bibles have changed it to.

It was used in a greeting back then, but most people don't even know the name now. In fact, it wasn't until Jesus that the Jewish people stopped saying it.

One other thing....many will say that God has many names, and this is not true. There are times when Hebrew words describing God are used.

They say that Jehovah-jireh is 'one' name, but the 'jireh' means 'see'.....that means Jehovah sees......that is all.

There are also a lot of Jewish words and names that derive from the name of God like Eli[B]jah, Or, HalleluJAH....which literally means praise Jehova.

There are also times the Hebrew word for Lord is used.....Adonai. That is not a name. Jehovah is a name and it's a great name to say the least.

[OneVoice]

proskyno
Criticism and rudness are not always the best way to gain information.
In the Jewish culture it is taught to children to so revere the name of God that they ae not to even speak it.
This is from the teachings about thye temple and the dangers of coming into the presence of God.
For those who have accepted Christ and understand the New testement we know that the vail has been torn. Not so much that we could go in, but that the Spirit and presence of God has come out. That spirit resides in the true believeing Christian.
What you are criticizing is a cultural understanding of a people who belioeve as they do for many reasons.
But hardly any will wish to share any of that with some one whose first task is to judge and second to criticize what he does not know and can not understand unless he is willing to walk a mile in their shoes and know why they think, and believe as they do.

[EnterHisPresence]

I'm not sure about the Christian reason, but the custom of not saying the name is a Jewish custom and the simple reason. I'll give you an answer from a Jewish Rabbi.

"We are instructed to not use G-D's name in vain. Therefore, when we refer to him other than when we are praying, it is customary to replace His name with "Hashem" or a transmutation such as "EloKim" in place of the H, we write a K". Rabbi Dan Wiko

"YHVH" is the Hebrew word that translates as "LORD". Found more often in the Old Testament than any other name for God (approximately 7,000 times), the title is also referred to as the "Tetragrammaton," meaning the "The Four Letters". YHVH comes from the Hebrew verb "to be" and is the special name that God revealed to Moses at the burning bush. "And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM; and He said, thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you... this is My eternal name, and this is how I am to be recalled for all generations'" (Exodus 3:14-15). Therefore, YHVH declares God's absolute being - the source of everything, without beginning and without end. Although some pronounce YHVH as "Jehovah" or "Yaweh," scholars really don't know the proper pronunciation. The Jews stopped pronouncing this name by about 200 A.D., out of fear of breaking the commandment "You shall not take the name of YHVH your God in vain" (Exodus 20:7). (Today's rabbis typically use "Adonai" in place of YHVH.) Here are some examples of YHVH used in scripture: YHVH Elohim - LORD God: (Genesis 2:4). YHVH M'kadesh - The LORD Who Makes Holy: (Ezekiel 37:28). YHVH Yireh - The LORD Who Sees/provides: (Genesis 22:14). YHVH Nissi - The LORD My Banner: (Exodus 17:15). YHVH Shalom - The LORD Of Peace: (Judges 6:24). YHVH Tzidkaynu - The LORD Our Righteousness: (Jeremiah 33:16). YHVH O'saynu - The LORD our Maker: (Psalm 95:6).

The LORD who revealed Himself as YHVH in the Old Testament is revealed as Yeshua (Jesus) in the New Testament. Jesus shares the same attributes as YHVH and clearly claims to be YHVH. In John 8:56-9, Jesus presents himself as the "I AM." When challenged by some Jewish leaders regarding His claim of seeing Abraham (who lived some 2000 years earlier), Jesus replied, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM." Those Jewish leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be YHVH. This is clearly established when they tried to stone Him to death for what they considered blasphemy under Jewish Law. In Romans 10:9, Paul declares, "if you confess with your mouth Yeshua as LORD... you shall be saved." Immediately thereafter, in Romans 10:13, Paul backs up this declaration by quoting the Old Testament, "Whoever will call upon the name of the LORD (YHVH) will be saved" (Joel 2:32). Calling on Yeshua (Jesus) as Lord is the same as calling Him YHVH, because Yeshua (Jesus) is YHVH (LORD), the Messiah foretold throughout the entire Old Testament.

[EnterHisPresence]

I don't know if you meant it the way I took it so I decided to clarify it. You wrote of the Holy of Holies..."Not so much that we could go in..." What I want to say, is that yes, we can go in to the Holy of Holies. That is the reason the veil was rent in two. Before, only the High Priest was allowed into the Presence of God, but now anyone is allowed in. Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. Praise God!

[proskyno]

proskyno
Criticism and rudness are not always the best way to gain information.
In the Jewish culture it is taught to children to so revere the name of God that they ae not to even speak it.
This is from the teachings about thye temple and the dangers of coming into the presence of God.
For those who have accepted Christ and understand the New testement we know that the vail has been torn. Not so much that we could go in, but that the Spirit and presence of God has come out. That spirit resides in the true believeing Christian.
What you are criticizing is a cultural understanding of a people who belioeve as they do for many reasons.
But hardly any will wish to share any of that with some one whose first task is to judge and second to criticize what he does not know and can not understand unless he is willing to walk a mile in their shoes and know why they think, and believe as they do.

We can tell from the verse I quoted above in Ruth that there is no problem with praising Jehovah in something as common as a greeting.....why would you prefer to follow Jewish ORAL tradition over what Scripture says?

Note that the regular use of Jehovah's name has been clearly documented right up until the time of Jesus. It was after the rejection of Jesus by many Israelites that this superstition crept in.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say to hide God's name. In fact, it says many times (look at my example in the original post for just one) that we should praise his name.

I'd ask anyone here.....who would want to hide the name of God?

[Godsent]

Ok...according to my commentary the name Jehovah was the personal name used for the convenant-keeping part of God. Up to Exodus chapter 6 Moses referred to God as Jehovah but as he went unto the Pharaoh to do what God told him the name Jehovah took on a new meaning for him a stronger meaning and he therefore referred to God as El-Shaddai-God Almighty and through time i assume that word has drifted out of use also and now we just use words that are found in the english language only...which excludes El-Shaddai and Jehovah and those other names u mentioned...i dont know thats just my thoughts based on what i read...

[proskyno]

Ok...according to my commentary the name Jehovah was the personal name used for the convenant-keeping part of God. Up to Exodus chapter 6 Moses referred to God as Jehovah but as he went unto the Pharaoh to do what God told him the name Jehovah took on a new meaning for him a stronger meaning and he therefore referred to God as El-Shaddai-God Almighty and through time i assume that word has drifted out of use also and now we just use words that are found in the english language only...which excludes El-Shaddai and Jehovah and those other names u mentioned...i dont know thats just my thoughts based on what i read...

Shadday or Shaddai refers to the Hebrew word which translates to 'Almighty'.
El is a Hebrew word which translates to 'God' (not a name).

El Shaddai is not a name, it tranlates to 'Almighty God'. Jehovah is the ONLY name for God - Exodus 6:3. While he is most definitely worthy of the title of Almighty.....that doesn't mean we should forget his name, ever.

Do you find the justification in the commentary worthy in your eyes?

Doesn't it bother you that the name of God is hidden from everyone?

Why do you think this would happen?

Thumb through your Bible and look for places where LORD is spelt in all caps.....and realize that in every spot it says that, it is supposed to read Jehovah. Does the justification given in your commentary give reason to change the wording in the Bible?

Who would want to hide the name of God?

[Angel]

Our GOD is an awesome GOD
He reigns in power and love
Our GOD is an awesome GOD

Great song about a great GOD ;)

Angel :af

[Angel]

Oh sorry should have been,

Our GOD is an awesome GOD
He reigns in heaven above
With wisdom power and love
Our GOD is an awesome GOD

GOD bless you proskyno:-D

Angel :af

[Godsent]

Shadday or Shaddai refers to the Hebrew word which translates to 'Almighty'.
El is a Hebrew word which translates to 'God' (not a name).

El Shaddai is not a name, it tranlates to 'Almighty God'. Jehovah is the ONLY name for God - Exodus 6:3. While he is most definitely worthy of the title of Almighty.....that doesn't mean we should forget his name, ever.

Do you find the justification in the commentary worthy in your eyes?

Doesn't it bother you that the name of God is hidden from everyone?

Why do you think this would happen?

Thumb through your Bible and look for places where LORD is spelt in all caps.....and realize that in every spot it says that, it is supposed to read Jehovah. Does the justification given in your commentary give reason to change the wording in the Bible?

Who would want to hide the name of God?
When u keep saying the word Jehovah u make it seem that the only word u think right for God is Jehovah and u even said the world LORD should be reading Jehovah...ur indeed saying that the name Jehovah should be raised up and just hide all the others names of God...were not trying to hide the name of God where just using the ones that weve grown up listening to i mean how many young people know the names like ur using?

[OneVoice]

I don't know if you meant it the way I took it so I decided to clarify it. You wrote of the Holy of Holies..."Not so much that we could go in..." What I want to say, is that yes, we can go in to the Holy of Holies. That is the reason the veil was rent in two. Before, only the High Priest was allowed into the Presence of God, but now anyone is allowed in. Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. Praise God!


I guess you should go and read that post again. It is NOT that we may go in, but the GOD came OUT and made HIMSELF AVAILABLE to ALL who believe in Christ.

God was before within.
NOW he is WITHOUT.
The Holy Spirit inhabits the believer, Not the one rokom of a temple, but the hearts of many!
His is no longer in there.
He is now out here.
and no one who is still living in the darknes that men loved (see John 1) is safe from the light.

[EnterHisPresence]

I'm sorry, I seem to forget that not everyone understands where I'm coming from. My meaning in my statement was for the spiritual Holy of Holies and not the physical one.
The physical Holy of Holies, is a type and shadow of the spiritual one, in which we can boldly enter through the spirit.

[OneVoice]

We can tell from the verse I quoted above in Ruth that there is no problem with praising Jehovah in something as common as a greeting.....why would you prefer to follow Jewish ORAL tradition over what Scripture says?

Note that the regular use of Jehovah's name has been clearly documented right up until the time of Jesus. It was after the rejection of Jesus by many Israelites that this superstition crept in.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say to hide God's name. In fact, it says many times (look at my example in the original post for just one) that we should praise his name.

I'd ask anyone here.....who would want to hide the name of God?

You are still looking no farther than you own nose, your own world, your own thinking and have not considered the life and reasons for how Jewish people reverence God.
I was at a church for a Christmas even last year and a man next to me was complaining big and judging harshly a young man waiting in the sanctuary with his cap on.
he wasn't the only person in the room wearing a hat but this man took great exception, saying that had no respect, cared nothing for reverencing God in His own house.
One of the people he had not seen but who I had I knew well.
I know his parents and know the nm all to be devout Christian and love he Lord more than each other.
This man was judging people base on his own narrow and limited view point, his own opinion rising and held more valid that facts he had not bothered to find out.
I suggested he go over and speak to the man he was complain about.
I asked "Do you know him?"
he said "No"
I asked "then hos can you know what is in his heart? How do you know he is being deliberately disrespectful?"

And I will ask you, Have you ever talked to ANY Jewish people about this?
Have you ever tried to find out why they reverence God in this way?
And I can assure you, because I know a few Jews and some are Messianic Jews, who refrain from completing God's name OUT OF RESPECT.

What you are saying and how you feel is actually a judgment of your own against some one you do not know, and do not understand.
Now... You need to know also.. I have hear this same tone and even the same words directed at Christian who follow Christ, who worship a God who let himself be killed, and worship a God who can not be seen.
And they judge and they complain, and they do so without bothering to find out from Christians why and on what they base their beliefs.

But that HE placed a worth on you and paid and exorbitant price for you. And He paid it also for those you have criticized for not completing His name out of respect.
No ,... it isn't necessary for them to do that.
But it is not necessary to wear a dress to church or to wear a tie. or to have the Right kind of bread or wafers for communion or to wait until you get home when you really want to pray in the elevator.
But we do it.
Why?

It is our expression of what the Holy Spirit is doing inside that we do what we do to please God by honoring Him as we do, either as a church when we pray aloud the Lord's Prayer, or individually when we wear a Christian T-shirt to public school.
When we refrain from swearing, and fast from TV.
God will use the reverence He is give to change the life of some one else.
He will use regimentals to buckle us to our knees and see from a view point over the tops of His wounded feet who we really are.
Sinners deserving His wrath, who have instead received His mercy by Grace and have been saved.

[proskyno]

You are still looking no farther than you own nose, your own world, your own thinking and have not considered the life and reasons for how Jewish people reverence God.
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But that HE placed a worth on you and paid and exorbitant price for you. And He paid it also for those you have criticized for not completing His name out of respect.
No ,... it isn't necessary for them to do that.
But it is not necessary to wear a dress to church or to wear a tie. or to have the Right kind of bread or wafers for communion or to wait until you get home when you really want to pray in the elevator.
But we do it.
Why?


Actually one of my closest friends and business partner is orthodox. I'm very familiar with modern Judaism.

I also know that practising Jewish people have not accepted Jesus. I know that many of their beliefs come from oral tradition, which, while I respect on a personal level - I do not choose to live by, since I'm a Christian who uses the Bible as my fount of knowledge.

I'm assuming.....you are Jewish? While it would strike me as odd that a practising Jew would be browsing this site, it would seem even stranger that you would be so defensive of a custom that isn't Scriptual - if you are a Christian.

If you are a Christian, you are just grasping at straws to find a reason to ignore the name of God.

The fact of the matter is that I recognized that the Jewish people do not recognize the name of God (in spoken words) because of ORAL tradition. The Talmud (....I think that's right). I recognized that. Since I'm on a CHRISTIAN CHAT website I assumed we would look at it from the standpoint of a Christianity. I believe in Ecumenicism so far as respecting and loving your neighbor regardless of religion - that doesn't mean I will not speak my mind when I see facts overriding supersition and misguided tradition.

From the standpoint of a Christian, based purely on Scripture, there is no justification for ignoring the name of God.

I turn the question to you - if you are a Christian - why do YOU choose to ignore it?

[germanJoy]

The most common name in the Bible is that of God. It appears about 7000 times throughout, but most people don't even know it....and won't recognize when it appears in passages they are reading.

The name is made of four Hebrew letters that translate to either YHWH or JHWH. It is pronunced either Yahweh or, more commonly, Jehovah.

It does show up in the King James Bible at Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18 and a few other places.....but in the actual scripts it appears every place you see the word LORD in all capital letters.

For example, a popular verse everyone should know:

PS 23:1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. (KJV)
~ is better translated ~
PS 23:1 Jehovah is my shepherd; I shall not want (ASV)

In fact, anytime you see the word 'LORD', like that, in all capitals - it is actually the name. Yet the name, for no apparent reason, has been stripped from nearly all modern Bibles.

Compare two versions of Psalm 110....

(KJV) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
(ASV) Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Which makes more sense?

Why is the name stripped out of the Bible though? There is no good reason for this. There really is no excuse. Actually, the Bible makes it very clear that we should praise the name of God.....remember how Jesus said we should pray in Matthew:

Our Father which art in heaven, HALLOWED BE THY NAME.

Long ago they used it regularly, look at Ruth 2:4:

And, behold, Boaz came from Bethlehem, and said unto the reapers, The LORD with you. And they answered him, The LORD bless thee.

Obviously they said what was written...."Jehovah be with you" and "Jehovah bless thee", not what the latest Bibles have changed it to.

It was used in a greeting back then, but most people don't even know the name now. In fact, it wasn't until Jesus that the Jewish people stopped saying it.

One other thing....many will say that God has many names, and this is not true. There are times when Hebrew words describing God are used.

They say that Jehovah-jireh is 'one' name, but the 'jireh' means 'see'.....that means Jehovah sees......that is all.

There are also a lot of Jewish words and names that derive from the name of God like Eli[B]jah, Or, HalleluJAH....which literally means praise Jehova.

There are also times the Hebrew word for Lord is used.....Adonai. That is not a name. Jehovah is a name and it's a great name to say the least.
Proskyno, christians have Yahweh/Jehovah as their God, the God of Israel (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). Now when the Son came to us, the Father lifted Him up and gave Him a name (JESUS) that is ABOVE ALL NAMES.

Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the NAME OF JESUS every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tonque should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11

God the Father is LIFTING UP THE NAME OF JESUS. Jesus Himself said: "If I (Jesus) be lifted up on the earth, I will draw all men unto Me."

Likewise, let THE NAME OF JESUS be lifted up. That was JEHOVAH's instruction to HIS OWN GLORY. Will you follow? :-)

[proskyno]

Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the NAME OF JESUS every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tonque should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11


It says that we should bow down, in Jesus' name 'to the glory of the father'. Does that mean you ignore the Father? Of course not. You acknowledge and thank the son, but the glory goes to the Father.

Interesting verse to choose though. Especially when looked at from verse 5 down, it makes a strong case against the Trinity.

God the Father is LIFTING UP THE NAME OF JESUS. Jesus Himself said: "If I (Jesus) be lifted up on the earth, I will draw all men unto Me."

Likewise, let THE NAME OF JESUS be lifted up. That was JEHOVAH's instruction to HIS OWN GLORY. Will you follow? :-)

I don't know the verse you are referring to, but I would refer you to the first chapters of Hebrews. Probably my single favorite chapter in the Bible. Hebrews clearly explains Jesus to the Jewish people who had long known Jehovah. In fact the first few chapters of Hebrews are essentially introducing the Jewish people to the Messiah - Jesus.

It explains how Jesus is king. How he sits at the right hand of God. It explains Jesus' role in very straighforward terms. It does not say that Jesus is the same as the Father. It does not explain the Trinity.....cause those things don't show up anywhere in the Bible. It never says to ignore the Father of Jesus - Jehovah.

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Referring to Psalms 110, from the ASV:

Psa 110:1 Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus is King, but is always second to Jehovah.....at his right hand.

Some verses that show that the Father (Jehovah) is greater than the son:

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

[Godsent]

The most common name in the Bible is that of God. It appears about 7000 times throughout, but most people don't even know it....and won't recognize when it appears in passages they are reading.

The name is made of four Hebrew letters that translate to either YHWH or JHWH. It is pronunced either Yahweh or, more commonly, Jehovah.

It does show up in the King James Bible at Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18 and a few other places.....but in the actual scripts it appears every place you see the word LORD in all capital letters.

For example, a popular verse everyone should know:

PS 23:1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. (KJV)
~ is better translated ~
PS 23:1 Jehovah is my shepherd; I shall not want (ASV)

In fact, anytime you see the word 'LORD', like that, in all capitals - it is actually the name. Yet the name, for no apparent reason, has been stripped from nearly all modern Bibles.

Compare two versions of Psalm 110....

(KJV) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
(ASV) Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Which makes more sense?

Why is the name stripped out of the Bible though? There is no good reason for this. There really is no excuse. Actually, the Bible makes it very clear that we should praise the name of God.....remember how Jesus said we should pray in Matthew:

Our Father which art in heaven, HALLOWED BE THY NAME.

Long ago they used it regularly, look at Ruth 2:4:

And, behold, Boaz came from Bethlehem, and said unto the reapers, The LORD with you. And they answered him, The LORD bless thee.

Obviously they said what was written...."Jehovah be with you" and "Jehovah bless thee", not what the latest Bibles have changed it to.

It was used in a greeting back then, but most people don't even know the name now. In fact, it wasn't until Jesus that the Jewish people stopped saying it.

One other thing....many will say that God has many names, and this is not true. There are times when Hebrew words describing God are used.

They say that Jehovah-jireh is 'one' name, but the 'jireh' means 'see'.....that means Jehovah sees......that is all.

There are also a lot of Jewish words and names that derive from the name of God like Eli[B]jah, Or, HalleluJAH....which literally means praise Jehova.

There are also times the Hebrew word for Lord is used.....Adonai. That is not a name. Jehovah is a name and it's a great name to say the least.
The trinity consists of God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Ghost...this is all true its all the same person God sent his son Jesus to earth and the devil will make a mockery of that and send the antichrist see the trinity of satan further more proves that the trinity exist for why should the devil mock God for it if it wasnt part of God. The trinity of satan is The devil, the antichrist and the false prophet. I use names from the bible that have the greatness meaning to me and that i hear on a normal day basis. All i ask is that u respect what we call God cuz do we not worship him as christians should either name we chose? I believe ur point was well stated when u first posted on this post so please stop taking verses out of context to try to argue with us when it is something that needent be argued over.

[germanJoy]

It says that we should bow down, in Jesus' name 'to the glory of the father'. Does that mean you ignore the Father? Of course not. You acknowledge and thank the son, but the glory goes to the Father.
You cannot see that the Father is glorified in the Son because you do not believe IN THE GODLY NATURE OF THE SON OF GOD. For you, Jesus is just a mere man and not God Himself. This makes you equal in your thinking with the Jews who stoned Jesus for making Himself equal with God.

Jesus' own words stating His equality with God the Father:

John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins; for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins.

John 10:30-33 I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.....The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, MAKEST THYSELF GOD.

John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

It explains how Jesus is king. How he sits at the right hand of God. It explains Jesus' role in very straighforward terms. It does not say that Jesus is the same as the Father. It does not explain the Trinity.....cause those things don't show up anywhere in the Bible. It never says to ignore the Father of Jesus - Jehovah.

Although Hebrews is your favorite yet you MISSED one important verse that would have opened your eyes to the truth. Have you not read that God the Father/Jehovah called the Son Jesus "God"?

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He (Jehovah) says, "Thy throne O God, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. God the Father calls the Son "God" - a citation of Psalms 45:6-7.

In the scriptures, God is also called "Lord" and Lord "God". David called Yahweh "Lord" and the Son also "Lord".

Matt. 22:44 The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, until I put Thine enemies beneath Thy feet."

Attention Proskyno, open your eyes to this now:
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said to him, "On the other hand, it is written: You shall not put the LORD YOUR GOD to the test."
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto Him, MY LORD AND MY GOD.

If you accept that Jesus is Lord, then you have to accept that Jesus is God for He is called not just Lord but also GOD, THE SON OF GOD.

Lifting up the NAME OF Jesus is not ignoring Yahweh but submitting to and obeying Yahweh's Will.

Salvation and Faith in JESUS' NAME: Mtt 12:21, Jn 1:12, 2:23, 3:18, Acts 4:10, 12, 10:43, 22:18; Rom 10:9, 1 Cor. 6:11, 1 Jn 3:23, 5:13.

JESUS - the most important name 1 Cor. 1:2, Eph 1:20-21, Phil 2:9-11 (cf. Is 45:23), 2 Thes. 1:12, 1 Jhn 3:23, Rev. 2:3,13

Christians are baptized in Jesus' Name. Mtt 28:19, Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 1 Cor. 1:13,15

Christians Suffer for Jesus' Name. Acts 5:41, 9:16, 15:26, 21:13.

Christians gather in Jesus' Name. Mt. 18.20, 1 Cor. 5:4

Men healed in Jesus' Name. Acts 3:6, 16, 4:10, 30

Christians Speak, Teach & Preach in Jesus' Name Luke 24:47, Acts 4:17-18, 5:28, 8:12, 9:27,29.

Christians Are Named After Jesus Christ. Acts 11:26, 1 Pet. 4:16.

Remission of Sins in Jesus' Name. Acts 10:43, 1 Jn 2:12

Jesus is called Lord of Lords. Rev. 19:16

Christians Are to Give Thanks & Praise in Jesus' Name Eph 5:20, Heb. 13:15

Christians Are to Do All Things in Jesus' Name Col 3:17

Now, Proskyno, OPEN YOUR EYES & EARS AGAIN.
Who Should We Be "Witnesses" of?

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses UNTO ME (Jesus speaking here) both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Do you now know why THE NAME OF JESUS is lifted up in the NEW TESTAMENT, the new covenant? Do you now know why this is called Christian Chat Forum and not "Jehovah Witnesses" Chat Forum?

You should know that by now. :-)

[proskyno]

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour.

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said to him, "On the other hand, it is written: You shall not put the LORD YOUR GOD to the test."

Look at this verse in context...it's very clear the 'Lord thy God' in 4:7 is referring to Jehovah. It's clear that Satan was asking Jesus to 'try' Jehovah...the verse itself alludes to Jehovah 'assisting' or sending the angels to catch him.

Mat 4:5-7
Then the devil taketh him into the holy city; and he set him on the pinnacle of the temple,
and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God.

As it is 'written':

Deu 6:16 Ye shall not tempt Jehovah your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.


I'd love to write about the quote from Thomas, but I really am short on time.

[proskyno]

All i ask is that u respect what we call God cuz do we not worship him as christians should either name we chose? I believe ur point was well stated when u first posted on this post so please stop taking verses out of context to try to argue with us when it is something that needent be argued over.

I know I come off harsh, and I really don't mean to do that. In the search for truth and knowledge it is common to come up against tradition.....I know people don't like that. Still, it must be done.

While most accept the fact that God's name is not used commonly today.....we should look to the Scripture as a guideline here. The name is used about 7000 times and no one offers even a half-reasonable excuse for not using it....not teaching it.....not praising it.

I go back to how Jesus told us to pray....

Our Father, who is in heaven, hallowed be thy name......that name is JEHOVAH, don't forget it

[OneVoice]

Actually one of my closest friends and business partner is orthodox. I'm very familiar with modern Judaism.

I also know that practising Jewish people have not accepted Jesus. I know that many of their beliefs come from oral tradition, which, while I respect on a personal level - I do not choose to live by, since I'm a Christian who uses the Bible as my fount of knowledge.

I'm assuming.....you are Jewish? While it would strike me as odd that a practising Jew would be browsing this site, it would seem even stranger that you would be so defensive of a custom that isn't Scriptual - if you are a Christian.

If you are a Christian, you are just grasping at straws to find a reason to ignore the name of God.

The fact of the matter is that I recognized that the Jewish people do not recognize the name of God (in spoken words) because of ORAL tradition. The Talmud (....I think that's right). I recognized that. Since I'm on a CHRISTIAN CHAT website I assumed we would look at it from the standpoint of a Christianity. I believe in Ecumenicism so far as respecting and loving your neighbor regardless of religion - that doesn't mean I will not speak my mind when I see facts overriding supersition and misguided tradition.

From the standpoint of a Christian, based purely on Scripture, there is no justification for ignoring the name of God.

I turn the question to you - if you are a Christian - why do YOU choose to ignore it?
I am a Chirstian.
but there are jewish peole both ON this site and viewing this site.
Your comments in general are offensive in that you judge rather than look for a way to encourage or show the love that Jesus commanded of you.

And as for what Jew would be doing browsing this site, are you so narrow minded that you thing Jesus does not seek and God does not pursue His chosen?
How in credibly presumptuous ... to both presme to have a right to judge and assumle that no Jew would be caught dead seeking Christ.

But if, as you post suggests, you al ready know somethings and you agenda is just to compalin and persecute people you think are not reading you, you should know that the Jews who have seen comments like your on Christian boards are often discouraged from seeking a relation ship with Christians or with Christ.


A word of suggestion and caution.
Thsi is not a closed universe.

[germanJoy]

Isa 43:10 You are my witnesses, declares the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen; that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and besides Me there is no saviour.

Proskyno, this prophecy in Isaiah (remember Isaian is a prophet, declaring what is to come) WAS FULFILLED by Jesus Christ as confirmed by the very own words of Christ :

You are my witnesses, declares the Lord, Acts 1:8 He (Jesus) said to them:....and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem...

before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me. Rev. 22: 13, 16 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.... I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star."

I am He John 8:24 - I (Jesus) said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am He, you shall de in your sins:

besides Me there is no saviour - Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus
Look at this verse in context...it's very clear the 'Lord thy God' in 4:7 is referring to Jehovah. It's clear that Satan was asking Jesus to 'try' Jehovah...the verse itself alludes to Jehovah 'assisting' or sending the angels to catch him.
Mat 4:5-7
Then the devil taketh him into the holy city; and he set him on the pinnacle of the temple,
and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God.

Come on, Proskyno, this verse tells us that it was Satan and NOT Jesus who wants to put the Lord to the test. Satan was testing not only the Word of God in Psalms 91:11-12 but MAINLY he was testing Jesus being the Son of God (Satan recognized Jesus is God and wanted to test His ability of showing that He truly is.)

And you know what the good news is, Proskyno? Jesus, my Lord Jesus, passed the TESTS with flying colors and lived WITHOUT SIN. Wow! only and I say ONLY a God can walk SINLESS in this world corrupted with sin. Can a mere human being do just that???!!! No, except for Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

[germanJoy]

I know I come off harsh, and I really don't mean to do that. In the search for truth and knowledge it is common to come up against tradition.....I know people don't like that. Still, it must be done.

While most accept the fact that God's name is not used commonly today.....we should look to the Scripture as a guideline here. The name is used about 7000 times and no one offers even a half-reasonable excuse for not using it....not teaching it.....not praising it.

I go back to how Jesus told us to pray....

Our Father, who is in heaven, hallowed be thy name......that name is JEHOVAH, don't forget it

Hey, Proskyno, didn't you even realize in the above verse that the name JEHOVAH was replaced by "OUR FATHER", in other words "DADDY!? Jehovah is my "Daddy". You see, Jehovah God is more PLEASED to be called "Father" by His children. In the same way, will you be more honored if your children will call you "father" instead of "Proskyno"??? :-)

That Proskyno is the REASON why God had to become man. The relationship between God and man was broken/cut-off by SIN. It takes a God and a man to qualify the job of a MEDIATOR between the two and as a RESTORER of that broken relationship. To cut the long story short, Jesus made it possible for us SINNERS (made PURE by HIS BLOOD) to call JEHOVAH "ABBA FATHER" that is IF YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS LORD AND GOD WHO CAME IN THE FLESH! If not, then you will be needing another MEDIATOR to get to Jehovah!

[proskyno]

Come on, Proskyno, this verse tells us that it was Satan and NOT Jesus who wants to put the Lord to the test. Satan was testing not only the Word of God in Psalms 91:11-12 but MAINLY he was testing Jesus being the Son of God (Satan recognized Jesus is God and wanted to test His ability of showing that He truly is.)

And you know what the good news is, Proskyno? Jesus, my Lord Jesus, passed the TESTS with flying colors and lived WITHOUT SIN. Wow! only and I say ONLY a God can walk SINLESS in this world corrupted with sin. Can a mere human being do just that???!!! No, except for Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

You are reading your tradition into the Bible...read what it actually says:

Mat 4:5-7
Then the devil taketh him into the holy city; and he set him on the pinnacle of the temple,
and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God.




Then, in 4:10 Jesus says:

Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Is he referring to himself there too? Of course not. The verse this refers to in the OT (as in 'it is written') is:

Deu 6:13 Thou shalt fear Jehovah thy God; and him shalt thou serve, and shalt swear by his name. (ASV)

[proskyno]

My comment above about those verses was erased some how.....here is the summary:

Mat 4:5-7
Then the devil taketh him into the holy city; and he set him on the pinnacle of the temple,
and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God.

The challenge here was from Satan, to Jesus, knowing that Jehovah would protect him if he threw himself from the height. To act like it was for Jesus to throw himself off....so that he would protect himself? That doesn't make sense.

Look up the OT reference for 4:8 and you will see it was Jehovah offering protection to Jesus. Very clearly.

[germanJoy]

Proskyno, the point is Satan is testing the Word of God by making Jesus Christ the accomplice. Satan wanted to hit 2 birds with one stone. First, Satan knew if he succeeds, he would make Jesus sin (by obeying satan) which would disqualify Him from being holy or sinless and that would further disqualify Jesus from being God Himself. Second, Satan knew if he succeeds he can accuse Jesus Christ of disobeying the Word of God.

But yet Satan forgot that Jesus is the Word of God. And if he is putting the Word of God to the test, he is testing Jesus as well.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.... and the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1,2,14

Unless you believe and accept the above verse to be TRUE, you will never get to understand that Satan was tempting and testing Jesus who is the Word of God.

[not4gotton]

There is Only One name given under heaven whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12
Shouldn't that be the Name we are most concerned with?