Surrogasy

[grtlilfam]

I am thinking about becoming a surrogate and just looking for some Christian feedback. I am also looking for input from anyone who has been a surogate, or been close to someone that has done it. Thank you for any input.
Grtlilfam

[StevenPriscilla]

Grtlilfam, wow i don't even know what to say to that. Bearing a child is a wonderful thing and a beautiful thing in the eyes of Jesus. I have never heard this question asked before but i hope that someone has a great insight on it. Doing something of this manner for someone else shows a great deal of love for them. Most of all if they are unable to have children. My opinion is that Jesus would be happy with you being willing to sacrifice 9 months of your life for someone else. God Bless You!!!!:)

[SlayTheBeast]

I find it that highly unnatural to say the least. And if they can conceive a child its even more unnatural. Why dont they just adopt a child? I dont understand how someone could have a child and give it away.

[Little_Lamb]

HEy there!

I have somewhat mixed vews on this...
For one things....Everything belongs to God..including children...they are born unto us to raise up to glorify God. They are not ours, so giving a baby for someone else to raise, is not necesarrily a bad thing, BUT...
There are SO MANY children in this world, just waiting for Godly parents to come and love them, and raise them...so i just don't understand why ppl that cannot conceive a child, would not just look straight away to adoption...we are called to reach out to the needy...and these children are more than needy!
Each case is different and has it's own issues, so my suggestion is to pray about it, and dig into the Word, but in my opinion..it does not seem right to be a surrogate. Take care and God bless you!

[SlayTheBeast]

In Genesis 16,17 the surrogate mother Hagar was blessed by God. So I was wrong. Considering how hard it can be to adopt a white child I reverse my earlier position.

[godslove]

hi brother slay, this is a delicate subject.
i think i agree with your previous post on this subject. abraham and sarah shortcutted God's will. ishmael was not God's orginal plan as noted in the following verses. also hagar i believe raised her own child, though i don't think i can prove it. but Scriptures seem to indicate that sarah did not appreciate the results of thier decision
...God bless.
(please note that these events are used as examples. to teach a lesson. the lesson is the promise compared to mans way of doing things.
ie being under grace and being under the law. it should not be used to say that all bondwoman's sons are under the law or that all freewoman's sons are under grace.
i know this is obvious but there are some way out extremists out there)

Ge 17:15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Ge 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

[OneJoe]

Wait, how do you concieve a child for someone else? Wouldn't that require you to have intimate relations with the spouse of the other woman? Or are you talking about artificial insemination? If this would require intimate relations with the husband of the other woman, then this is clearly wrong since we are only suppose to have one wife or husband and that is the only person with which we have intimate relations. Otherwise we can burn.

Furthermore, I am not entirely convinced that artificial insemination is biblically legal without first seeing scripture in regards to this. After all, even though artificial insemination doesn't require direct physical itimacy, you would still be carrying the physical seed of a man you are not married to.

I personally would love to see scriptures on this matter because without scripture, it would seem like your treading on thin ice. :-)

[Recycled]

This is a subject of some personal interest, since my daughter's best friend has recently lost her preemie twins after having lost her preemie first-born a couple years ago. Surrogacy has been suggested and my daughter has offered to be the surrogate mother-- you get the picture.

I could describe the surrogacy process, but it may be a bit graphic for the younger set known to frequent this site, so the details will be left to your imagination-- however, let it be said that it can be done without compromising the moral integrity of all concerned. Therefore, from a spiritual perspective, there should be no problem from a Christian perspective.

R~

[SlayTheBeast]

1Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.

2And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her.


8 And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"
"I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.

9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." 10 The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."

How are you Godslove,OneJoe? With these verses it points to me that God doesnt find this sinfull,although it should be noted Sara later regrets her decision to have a surrogate mother. As a side note the Egyptians at this time were not the Egyptians of today so it would not violate the laws told to us by Ezra or Deutoronomy 23:2.It seems unatural but if she cant have children and cant find a child to adopt what else choice does she have? My heart goes out to her.

11And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

12And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

On the other side it did not seem to be a blessed destiny for the descendants of Hagar's son Ishmael. And God eventually gave fertility to Sara showing that He wanted her to give birth naturally.

[OneJoe]

Slaythebeast, thank you for taking the time to post those scriptures. Though I understand the event as described in the passages you included, I am not sure how a person would get around it being an act of adultery or fornication as described all too well by Paul. I am no genius when it comes to the act of being a surrogate mother, nor what is required for the woman to concieve outside what would be normal. However, if this does in fact require intimate relations with a person your not married to, how then is it not adultery or fornication? What made it legal then, if at all? If this was justified then, how do we know it is legal today and what justifies such an act as legal? Sorry for all the questions, but maybe you know more about this topic than I do..:-)


God Bless!

[SlayTheBeast]

To be honest Joe this thread is the first time I've thought much about this subject. Most of my posts I try to discuss topics I have studied thoroughly both sides of the issue, and to a fair certainy know I'm right, I cant say that with this topic. My first impulse was to be repulsed at the idea of surrogacy to be honest, finding it so unnatural. But I read the Bible about this and noticed that God did not seem to rebuke anyone concerning the surrogacy of Hagar. I started thinking the infertile woman's point of view and definately could see the other side of the argument. Without a surrogate mother, if she can not find a child to adopt, she will live a life without a children. Which seems sad to me. I don't know, I wish I knew more information about the case at hand.

[Little_Lamb]

Hey there!

I just have a question...what about adoption? Is there something so wrong with saving the children around the world that are already born and live in horrible conditions? I'm not udging anyone..just would like to know what you guys think, especially those that are involved, or know someone involved with surrogasy. Thank you and God bless!

[Recycled]

Adoption is always a viable alternative, but does not preserve one's family bloodlines, where surrogasy creates a new life with the egg and seed of the natural parents, thereby preserving the family bloodlines-- this is an important consideration to some.

R~

[Lordhelpme]

Why dont they just adopt a child? I dont understand how someone could have a child and give it away.


How is anyone going to adopt a child if someone doesn't give them away?

[Lordhelpme]

Just do it! I think it's a beautiful thing. Let's look at some real issues.

Sometimes women can't have a baby, why, because of man.

Did you know that there is a lawsuite for the people in Washington DC against the dairy famers because milk has been known to cause OVARIAN AND PROSTATE CANCER? Now that's man's fault, not Gods. www.milkmakesmesick.org Click on Resources


What about women who have been raped unmercifully to the point they can't conceive?

What about those women who have medical problems due to genetics or whatever and can't have a baby because if they do it will kill them?

These are just a few issues. Now some may say why has God allowed these doctors to help create other ways of birth. Then ask the question why has God created other ways to live and fight diseases like cancer. Because some may say, "they shouldn't do that, if it's God's will He'll give them a child." Yes and He has made other ways. So should some say in regards to medicine for cancer and other diseases, "they shouldn't do that, if it's God's will He'll let them live?" He has with medications He has allowed Doctors to discover.

Just think of some women who were blessed with a fertile wound that have drowned their children, cut them up, burried them, threw them out the window, cooked them and ate them, and God only knows what else. The scary thing is some of these people profess to be Christians.

We don't know God's thoughts, "God's ways are not our ways, nor are His thoughts."

So if someone wants to have a baby to love, God Bless them.

LHM

[Lordhelpme]

Considering how hard it can be to adopt a white child I reverse my earlier position.

Why is it hard to adopt a white child, as apposed to other races of children?

[SlayTheBeast]

I dont know, ask a black person why they give away so many of their children. Considering recent events in my area I will write be writing a thread about race and God's plan.

[Lordhelpme]

I dont know, ask a black person why they give away so many of their children. Considering recent events in my area I will write be writing a thread about race and God's plan.

Well, I think that's better than killing them like a lot of white mothers do, when they don't want them, and then blame it on black men. Try to look outside your area. :)

And for anyone to discriminate against any color of a person especially a baby, CHRIST IS NOT IN THEM. Christ said, "suffer the little children unto me." "And to the least of these you have done it unto, you have done it unto Me.


You need to change your views, God help you, because you will be judged on that as well.

LHM

[grtlilfam]

IF I do this for someone it will be someone that canNOT have there own child due to some form of infertillity. I have recently heard that this is basically what Sarah and Abraham did when Sarah offered her sevant. The servant delivered the baby and they raised him as their own. I would also not have any genetic link. I will for al purposes just be an incubator.