Mormon Teachings

[blueheron32]

A few days ago a mormon came into the chatroom and I had a conversation with him. In that conversation he tried to represent himself as being a member of a christian church. When I asked him to respond to a few doctrines held by his church he refused. After he was banned he posted on the message board accusing me of treating him unfairly, so I am posting here a few teachings held by the mormon church, and you can decide for yourself if they are a christian church or if they are another gospel...

No matter How much the LDS church tries to Christianize their gospel...

There are teachings of Mormonism which separate it forever from Christianity and the Holy Bible.

Specifically, Mormonism teachings include:

* That God the Father has a body of flesh and bones and was once a sinful man on another planet.
* That God lives with many goddess wives on a planet near the great star Kolob.
* That Polygamy is part of God’s holy ordinances.
* That Jesus Christ is the brother of Lucifer, the Devil. Jesus had to work out his own salvation.
* That the doctrines of their inspired leaders are superior to the Bible.
* That "there are more gods than there are particles on a million earths"
* That men can become gods themselves by joining the Mormon church and will be able to create and populate their own earths.
* That the shed blood of Christ is not sufficient to save us from our sins, that it only gives us resurrection so we may be judged for our works; that men cannot be saved by grace through faith, but only by our works of righteousness.
* That the Mormon Church is the only true church on earth, to the exclusion of all others. It has the only true authority.
* That there are two churches only, The church of the Lamb [Mormonism] and the church of the Devil [the rest of us].
* That man cannot gain eternal life and enter the presence of the Lord outside of Mormonism.

if you would like to see a more complete discussion on the mormon religion you may go to this link....

http://www.whatismormonism.com/

blueheron32

[Dee]

Christians know there is only one gospel....and this that you described just isn't it. Thanks for the link and the information Blue.

[germanJoy]

blue, you have acted correctly and wisely by unwelcoming wrong doctrines in this site. The right action for believers to guard the true teachings of Christ is to remove false doctrines from the church/fellowship.
"Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house (I say in this case "your site"), and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds." 2 John 1:9-11

Another unbiblical Mormon teaching I know is that they believe that the unbelieving dead (even those who denied God/Christ in their lives) can still be saved.

[Potters House]

Go Big Blue!
I live in the midst of many LDS. Polygamy is a hot topic because of Colorado City here in Az. I consider these people to be an American style Taliban.There is a great book out called 'One Nation Under Gods', for those of us that want the true history of Mormonism. All documented.
On another note. Mormos is an ancient pagan god of the family.
When I can engage the people in conversation, I like to get them to admit they can become gods. Then I ask them " Isn't that the first lie Satan ever spoke in the garden?" Ye can become gods. Talk about heaping teachers for itching ears.

[Warrior4Truth]

Hi blue, I am currently on a mission to better understand the different beliefs and religions in the world.. among those are Mormonism and Jehovahs Witnesses. Though I do not believe everything they say, I am trying to understand why they believe what they do. Thx for the link I am sure that it will come in handy to better understand the position that Mormons take in there beliefs. God bless
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Warrior4Truth

[Redeemed777]

Amen and AMEN
thats what i got to say
galations has some good stuff on different gospels

[Cam Finnegan]

Much of this article is very interesting. I had heard before that the Mormon church held many racist beliefs but I didn't believe it initially (I had never heard a Mormon speak of this personally). I think that many of the Mormon church are such good people, smart people, and that if they really knew what they were preaching they would be shocked.

[Godsent]

A few days ago a mormon came into the chatroom and I had a conversation with him. In that conversation he tried to represent himself as being a member of a christian church. When I asked him to respond to a few doctrines held by his church he refused. After he was banned he posted on the message board accusing me of treating him unfairly, so I am posting here a few teachings held by the mormon church, and you can decide for yourself if they are a christian church or if they are another gospel...

No matter How much the LDS church tries to Christianize their gospel...

There are teachings of Mormonism which separate it forever from Christianity and the Holy Bible.

Specifically, Mormonism teachings include:

* That God the Father has a body of flesh and bones and was once a sinful man on another planet.
* That God lives with many goddess wives on a planet near the great star Kolob.
* That Polygamy is part of God’s holy ordinances.
* That Jesus Christ is the brother of Lucifer, the Devil. Jesus had to work out his own salvation.
* That the doctrines of their inspired leaders are superior to the Bible.
* That "there are more gods than there are particles on a million earths"
* That men can become gods themselves by joining the Mormon church and will be able to create and populate their own earths.
* That the shed blood of Christ is not sufficient to save us from our sins, that it only gives us resurrection so we may be judged for our works; that men cannot be saved by grace through faith, but only by our works of righteousness.
* That the Mormon Church is the only true church on earth, to the exclusion of all others. It has the only true authority.
* That there are two churches only, The church of the Lamb [Mormonism] and the church of the Devil [the rest of us].
* That man cannot gain eternal life and enter the presence of the Lord outside of Mormonism.

if you would like to see a more complete discussion on the mormon religion you may go to this link....

http://www.whatismormonism.com/

blueheron32
Yes blue i agree with what u have done and thanks for posting those facts about mormons and i just amazing how mormons believe all that and i find fault in all of those things they believe and all of this is totally against the teachings of the bible so it makes me wonder what book they preach from cuz it most certainly aint the bible or they have just taken way too many verses out of context and thier believes are absurd.

[germanJoy]

Yes blue i agree with what u have done and thanks for posting those facts about mormons and i just amazing how mormons believe all that and i find fault in all of those things they believe and all of this is totally against the teachings of the bible so it makes me wonder what book they preach from cuz it most certainly aint the bible or they have just taken way too many verses out of context and thier believes are absurd.
Yes indeed Godsent, they are no bible believers. The mormons take the bible as a secondary book. Their primary book is the "Book of Mormons" which was found by John Smith (somewhere over the "rainbow", just kidding:-) ) as instructed by an angel to him. That makes all mormons unbiblical believers. You cannot argue the bible with them because they use a different book. :-(

[Rylee]

It's Joseph Smith, not John Smith.

And these are what they list as their basic beliefs:
God is our Heavenly Father. He loves us and wants us to return to Him.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is our Savior. He redeems us from death by providing the Resurrection. He saves us from sin as we repent.
Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can return to live with God if we keep His commandments.
The Holy Ghost helps us to recognize truth.
The first principles and ordinances of the gospel are faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The Church of Jesus Christ has been restored to the earth.
The priesthood authority of God exists in His Church today, just as it did in the original Church.
The Bible and the Book of Mormon are the word of God.
God reveals His will to prophets today, just as He did anciently.
Our life has a sacred purpose.
Families can be together forever.
Through serving others, we can experience joy and draw closer to God.

And this is the Articles of Faith, Joseph Smith's summary of beliefs, the 13 basic points:
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon this the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

[Rylee]

...and as for them being Christians:
Gordon B. Hinckley, President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said:
"We are Christians in a very real sense and that is coming to be more and more widely recognized. Once upon a time people everywhere said we are not Christians. They have come to recognize that we are, and that we have a very vital and dynamic religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ."

"We, of course, accept Jesus Christ as our Leader, our King, our Savior...the dominant figure in the history of the world, the only perfect Man who ever walked the earth, the living Son of the living God. He is our Savior and our Redeemer through whose atoning sacrifice has come the opportunity of eternal life."

"Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints pray and worship in the name of Jesus Christ. He is the center of our faith and the head of our Church. The Book of Mormon is Another Testament of Jesus Christ and witnesses of His divinity, His life, and His Atonement."


The Book of Mormon isn't above the Bible to them, it is another part of the Bible... they just see it as an "extra book" so to speak.


I have an idea... let's go ahead and let God judge whether or not they're really Christian and going to Heaven.

[germanJoy]

Oh, yes Rylee, thanks for your correction! :-) I frequently think of the name "John" if I think of Americans. :lol

[sisterinJesus]

...and as for them being Christians:
Gordon B. Hinckley, President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said:
"We are Christians in a very real sense and that is coming to be more and more widely recognized. Once upon a time people everywhere said we are not Christians. They have come to recognize that we are, and that we have a very vital and dynamic religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ."

"We, of course, accept Jesus Christ as our Leader, our King, our Savior...the dominant figure in the history of the world, the only perfect Man who ever walked the earth, the living Son of the living God. He is our Savior and our Redeemer through whose atoning sacrifice has come the opportunity of eternal life."

"Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints pray and worship in the name of Jesus Christ. He is the center of our faith and the head of our Church. The Book of Mormon is Another Testament of Jesus Christ and witnesses of His divinity, His life, and His Atonement."


The Book of Mormon isn't above the Bible to them, it is another part of the Bible... they just see it as an "extra book" so to speak.


I have an idea... let's go ahead and let God judge whether or not they're really Christian and going to Heaven.


Rylee,
you seem pretty strong on defending them...are you a morman? Just wondering. :-)

[Redeemed777]

hmm they do have beliefs that literly(literaly) conridict what jesus taught and the bible. And i know a mormon guy and basicaly the only parts he belives in the bible is the parts that tickle his ear and the parts he dosnt belive or like is translated wrong.
I Have my own beliveifs about mormons and I can tell you That there will be false doctrines i mean paul talked about it in (galations 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.)
l point something out that this NEW gospel is condridicting the very concept of what Jesus taught. And this Jospheh saw an angel(i belive his name was soposed to be mormonie or something like that) this angel came and told him about this new book or lead him to it, im not exactly sure about the details but yeah there was an angel.

[Redeemed777]

to tell you the truth i know a mormon and he believes that "if you do get sent to hell" after a long time God will come back and forgive all and they all get to go to heaven (including satan).
Yeah i told the guy if satan was in heaven i would bust his face open.
and while other mormons just dont belive in hell
well what i say about that is jesus spoke of hell in MARK 9:45 and surrounding scriptures.
And satan and the false profet are staying in hell for ever and ever
Read REVELATION 20:10-15

[Rylee]

Lol... no... I'm Baptist to be perfectly honest (does that explain why I'm so stubborn? :-D) I was raised in a Southern Baptist household by my grandfather who was a SOUTHERN BAPTIST PREACHER (DOUBLE WHAMMY!) and I remember him feeling very strongly about how being Baptist was the only way to go... therefore, since I loved nothing more than to debate with my grandfather, I got kind of used to "sticking up" (so to speak) for other Christian religions that do in deed follow Jesus, but have different ways of doing so. I'm still Baptist, and although I don't agree with Mormonism (as a matter of fact I agree with a majority of the things that have been said, even though it probably doesn't look that way), I still would like to point out the positive points so as to give them a fair shot and let everybody see both sides of the fence.

[Rylee]

Yeah... to elaborate, I'm friends with a family of Mormons, and they believe the strangest thing (strange to me, anyway)... they have this thing where they'll be baptised in people's places that have already died, and that enables people that are already in hell to go to Heaven. Pretty strange.

[Godsent]

Yes indeed Godsent, they are no bible believers. The mormons take the bible as a secondary book. Their primary book is the "Book of Mormons" which was found by John Smith (somewhere over the "rainbow", just kidding:-) ) as instructed by an angel to him. That makes all mormons unbiblical believers. You cannot argue the bible with them because they use a different book. :-(
Thanks for that info germanjoy i had heard of the book of mormons but i had forgot all about it when i posted on this post. :)

[Godsent]

Yeah... to elaborate, I'm friends with a family of Mormons, and they believe the strangest thing (strange to me, anyway)... they have this thing where they'll be baptised in people's places that have already died, and that enables people that are already in hell to go to Heaven. Pretty strange.
*raises his eyebrow*wow...well if they dont turn to God and the bible and say the sinners prayer then they are doomed to hell and theres no going from there to heaven...its kinda like praying for loved ones whos fate has already been decided it will be just fruitless.

[Rylee]

It kind of makes me feel sorry for them... the one girl who I'm closest with in her family went and was baptised for her Grandmother. Therefore, she thinks that her actions saved her Grandmother from eternal damnation. It's heartbreaking to know that she believes this way. I'm continuing to pray for her and her entire family.

[sisterinJesus]

Lol... no... I'm Baptist to be perfectly honest (does that explain why I'm so stubborn? :-D) I was raised in a Southern Baptist household by my grandfather who was a SOUTHERN BAPTIST PREACHER (DOUBLE WHAMMY!) and I remember him feeling very strongly about how being Baptist was the only way to go... therefore, since I loved nothing more than to debate with my grandfather, I got kind of used to "sticking up" (so to speak) for other Christian religions that do in deed follow Jesus, but have different ways of doing so. I'm still Baptist, and although I don't agree with Mormonism (as a matter of fact I agree with a majority of the things that have been said, even though it probably doesn't look that way), I still would like to point out the positive points so as to give them a fair shot and let everybody see both sides of the fence.

LOL...ok...conservative southern baptist here also :-)
I know that mormons appear to have the same doctrines we have, but their doctrine is deceiving. When they speak of Jesus, they are not talking about the same Jesus that you and I know. They use (and are taught) Christian terminalogy but mean something completely different than we mean. They don't know the God that we know. They believe he was a flesh and blood man that became God. They believe Adam was a God, they believe they will become Gods. I'm not positive but it seems to me that I read somewhere that they think Jesus is the son of Adam-God. They believe they were spirit children in heaven before they came to this earth in the flesh. Their leaders are decieving them with such lies. Unless the people hear and understand the truth about our Holy God and His Son Jesus, and believe, I'm afraid there is no hope for them. When your grandfather was talking about other Christian churches, I'm sure he was not including Mormons, he was talking about Methodist, Lutherans, Church of God and other protestant churches. I believe he would tell you that the mormon church is a cult.

Look at what it says in Gal 1:8-9 says - But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"

vs 8 talks about an angel from heaven --- didn't Joseph Smith bring a book to the people and said it came from an angel? That is a 'red flag' for sure.

Also Rev 22:18 warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book; if ANYONE adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. they have added a book.

I understand that you are very careful not to speak about others and I'm sure that makes God smile :-) but I believe His word tells us do not believe every spirit, but to test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world 1 Jn 4:1

Sorry if I repeated something that someone had already said....I am guilty of not reading all the posts before I started typing :r

It's interesting to search online for X-mormons who became Christians and see what they have to say about the mormon church.

[Rylee]

Well, my Grandpa was right (I shouldn't have doubted him...)
Okay, so I fell for the misleading doctrine... I humbly I apologize.
Thanks for teaching me something new, and that I don't know everything... lol... :-D

[Rylee]

sisterinJesus -
As I was still sitting here removing my foot from my mouth, I did look up ex-mormons on the internet and found a very interesting website that says a lot of stuff that I didn't know... if I was allowed, I'd recommend the website, but I don't know if that's "advertising" or not, so to be safe I'll just suggest looking up "Ex-mormons" on a search engine to anybody that's interested. Thank you for opening up my eyes and TRULY helping me look at both sides.

[sisterinJesus]

It kind of makes me feel sorry for them... the one girl who I'm closest with in her family went and was baptised for her Grandmother. Therefore, she thinks that her actions saved her Grandmother from eternal damnation. It's heartbreaking to know that she believes this way. I'm continuing to pray for her and her entire family.

Rylee, could you tell me the first name of your friend, I would like to add her to my prayer list, so I can pray for her also. It is heartbreaking to know that there are children being raised to believe these lies. Just as you trusted and believed the truth (the real truth) that your grandfather told you as a child, they are putting their trust in their parents and grandparents who are keeping them from the truth that we have come to know in Christ Jesus.

[Rylee]

Yes, her name is Julie, and she has five brothers and sisters who need prayer as well... their names are Joseph, Jacob, Steven, Shayla, and Amber.

[charlesj]

A few days ago a mormon came into the chatroom and I had a conversation with him...

blueheron32

blueheron: got to tell you this story. Several years ago I studied with a 5th generation Mormon. He tried to convice me that if I was good enough I could also become God... LOL

Anyway, that's not what I really wanted to tell you, this is even funnier:
The Mormon asked me, "My grandfather had five wives while he was alive. Do you think he is in hell?"
I replied, "No, if he had five wives, then he lived hell on earth!"

Needless to say, we didn't really agree on much of any of his doctrine(s).


your servant in Messiah, Jesus
charlesj

p.s. I only have ONE... for forty three years!!! I love that woman!

[SirLaffalot aka CarltonRoss]

I appreciate your taking the time to post this-- I have relatives who are Mormons and I didn't realize the real danger they are in.

[silvermoon383]

A few days ago a mormon came into the chatroom and I had a conversation with him. In that conversation he tried to represent himself as being a member of a christian church. When I asked him to respond to a few doctrines held by his church he refused. After he was banned he posted on the message board accusing me of treating him unfairly, so I am posting here a few teachings held by the mormon church, and you can decide for yourself if they are a christian church or if they are another gospel...

No matter How much the LDS church tries to Christianize their gospel...

There are teachings of Mormonism which separate it forever from Christianity and the Holy Bible.

Specifically, Mormonism teachings include:

* That God the Father has a body of flesh and bones and was once a sinful man on another planet.
* That God lives with many goddess wives on a planet near the great star Kolob.
* That Polygamy is part of God’s holy ordinances.
* That Jesus Christ is the brother of Lucifer, the Devil. Jesus had to work out his own salvation.
* That the doctrines of their inspired leaders are superior to the Bible.
* That "there are more gods than there are particles on a million earths"
* That men can become gods themselves by joining the Mormon church and will be able to create and populate their own earths.
* That the shed blood of Christ is not sufficient to save us from our sins, that it only gives us resurrection so we may be judged for our works; that men cannot be saved by grace through faith, but only by our works of righteousness.
* That the Mormon Church is the only true church on earth, to the exclusion of all others. It has the only true authority.
* That there are two churches only, The church of the Lamb [Mormonism] and the church of the Devil [the rest of us].
* That man cannot gain eternal life and enter the presence of the Lord outside of Mormonism.

if you would like to see a more complete discussion on the mormon religion you may go to this link....

http://www.whatismormonism.com/

blueheron32
OK, I realize that I may be quite late in responding (I just found the site earlier today and was browsing around), but I still think that I should respond to these points.

*We do believe that Heavenly Father (God) has a body of flesh and bones, and is speculated that He once lived as a mortal (SPECUATION, NOT OFFICIAL DOCTRINE, all doctrine is concerned only with us here, not before)
*This is FALSE SPECULATION that is a poor connection between other specultations.
*Polygamy was NEVER a required ordinace, only in very specific circumstances was it allowed (and they were few and far between).
*Yes, Jesus and Satan are brothers, but so are we. Jesus had to live as a mortal like us so that he could fulfill the Atonement. Only someone who understands and intimatly knows the feelings assosiated with sin and guilt can pay the price for them.
*The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and OFFICIAL teaching of Church leaders are EQUAL NOT superior to the Bible.
*There are many gods (little g), but we don't know how many, and it doesn't matter, we're only concerned with our God (big G)
*Look up John 10:34 for what Christ Himself says on this subject
*FALSE!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 Nephi 25:23- For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. No matter how hard we work, The grace of God is the only thing that will save us.
*The Church is the only church with all the truth in one place, and the authority of God (called the Priesthood). Truth is found everwhere, we seek to add to the truth people already know.
*More accurate to refer to those as Followers of True Principles and Followers of False Principles.
*False. Any who did not recieve the chance to hear the Gospel will recieve that chance later. Only those who had a full chance to accept the Gospel (as in studying it fully and rejecting it afterwords) will lose their place in the Celestial Kingdom.

To learn more, go to www.mormon.org.

Isn't it better to go to the members of a church to find out what they believe?

[Whisper]

Looks like we got two different perspectives here. Blueheron if everything you say is true then I must say that really blows my mind. I know very little about the different religions that are out there but some of the things you stated are off the wall. If that is what they believe then they are definitely not of Christ.

Then again Rylee the things that you've stated are right in line with the word of God.

As for Silvermoon 383 no offense to you but in that next to last statement there where you say it's more accurate to refer to those as followers of True principles and followers of false principles it seems like to me you're only confirming what Blueheron said. That you're saying the Morman church is the followers of true principles and all the reat of us are followers of the false.Maybe it's just the way I'm reading it.

I think that the reason a lot of people get off on these tangents is because they don't read and study the word of God for themselves. They take the word of someone else and don't check the word of God to see whether or not it lines up.

[Rightway]

Lol... no... I'm Baptist to be perfectly honest (does that explain why I'm so stubborn? :-D) I was raised in a Southern Baptist household by my grandfather who was a SOUTHERN BAPTIST PREACHER (DOUBLE WHAMMY!) and I remember him feeling very strongly about how being Baptist was the only way to go... therefore, since I loved nothing more than to debate with my grandfather, I got kind of used to "sticking up" (so to speak) for other Christian religions that do in deed follow Jesus, but have different ways of doing so. I'm still Baptist, and although I don't agree with Mormonism (as a matter of fact I agree with a majority of the things that have been said, even though it probably doesn't look that way), I still would like to point out the positive points so as to give them a fair shot and let everybody see both sides of the fence.

Rylee, I am Baptist, raised in a Baptist home and my dad was a deacon. I am also a deacon with 4 other brothers. I have been associated with 7 different Baptist churches in my life. I have never heard anyone...pastors(of which I have known over 20) nor any church member ever say that Baptist is the only way to Heaven. Anyone that says that just doesnt follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Any man that confesses that Jesus is Lord and believes in his heart that God raised Him from the dead and desires to follow Him as their Lord can and will be saved(John 3:16). Baptism is not even a requirement for salvation according to the Bible I read(Rom. 10:9-10). I was baptized two weeks after I accepted the Lord as my Savior. I really want people to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and would love for them to worship in the Baptist fellowship, but its ok if the Holy Spirit leads them elsewhere. Go where God leads. Amen

[blueheron32]

Whisper....

I once allowed a couple mormon missionaries to come into my home, and give their presentation concerning their "gospel". Incidently this is not something I recommend, in fact it is an act of plain disobedience...2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: It is not something I would do again. But they presented their gospel, starting with the "fact" that God the Father is living with his many wives on the planet Kolob producing bunches of spirit children, and sending them down to earth to be born as human children...This IS what the mormon missionaries teach. They also teach that God the Father was once a human being, a man just like we are, and that it was only through a long process that he became the god he is today...In the same way, they believe that we men..just the men mind you...will, through that same long process become a god, just as god the father is now... Us men will get our own little planet, and we will pick out a bunch of wives to keep us happy in our own little celestial kingdom, and produce all kinds of spirit babies, but you women all have to prove here on earth that you are worthy to be a celestial wife, so you can be pregnant for ever more, other wise us men who have become gods wont pick you to become little godesses with us..:-)

Mormons DO believe in polygamy... it is an integral part of their idea of heaven. heaven just wouldnt be heaven without it. The mormon concept of "christianity", is far more bizarre than you can imagine. It is such a perversion of the true gospel, that for the most part they are ashamed to admit the actual teachings of the mormon church. They are making every effort to appear "christian" and to be accepted along with the other churches but even from just the few statements silvermoon gave, it should be clear that they are not. Biblical Christianity is based on the bible alone and in its entirety...no more no less....The book of mormon is not the bible it is not equal to the bible, it is a fairy tale, that has no relationship to truth whatsoever. Any one who tries to add or subract anything to Gods word is accursed. When the mormons bring the book of mormon and say this is Gods word too...they are accursed... When the SDAs bring the writings of Ellen G White, and say this is the word Spoken by Gods prophet, they are accursed. When the Catholics bring the visions of Mary, and the infallible pronouncements of the Pope, and say..Thus saith the Lord, they are accursed... This is not what blueheron32 says, this is what God says...

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

As for the lists Rylee presented as the official beliefs of the Mormon church...They are all lies... they say one thing, but the definitions of the terms they use are not the same as what Biblical christians assume... They have a different god the father...they have a different jesus, they have a different holy spirit.. they may use the same word, but when they use it they assign to it an entirely different meaning...they use a different dictionary...They have so much respect for the blood of Christ, that when they take communion they use WATER rather than wine...They do not believe the blood of Christ is sufficient to atone for our sins....but that we have to shed our own blood....Silvermoon himself admitted that jesus and satan are brothers, equally the spirit children of god the father...that is blasphemy...just as the entire mormon religion is a blasphemous perversion of christianity....

It is for that reason that we do not allow mormons, and other false gospels to preach their filth here at Christian Chat Forum. They are all welcome to come if they are truly seeking the true gospel....But if they are only here to promote their own lies, they are not welcome....This is our house, And God himself tells us we are not to allow them to enter...

2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Have I been clear enough....:-)

Psa 69:9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
Joh 2:17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

blueheron32

[silvermoon383]

Wow. Whatever happened to the free exchange of ideas?

No offense intended.

Whisper....

I once allowed a couple mormon missionaries to come into my home, and give their presentation concerning their "gospel". Incidently this is not something I recommend, in fact it is an act of plain disobedience...2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: It is not something I would do again. But they presented their gospel, starting with the "fact" that God the Father is living with his many wives on the planet Kolob producing bunches of spirit children, and sending them down to earth to be born as human children...This IS what the mormon missionaries teach. They also teach that God the Father was once a human being, a man just like we are, and that it was only through a long process that he became the god he is today...In the same way, they believe that we men..just the men mind you...will, through that same long process become a god, just as god the father is now... Us men will get our own little planet, and we will pick out a bunch of wives to keep us happy in our own little celestial kingdom, and produce all kinds of spirit babies, but you women all have to prove here on earth that you are worthy to be a celestial wife, so you can be pregnant for ever more, other wise us men who have become gods wont pick you to become little godesses with us..:-)

Mormons DO believe in polygamy... it is an integral part of their idea of heaven. heaven just wouldnt be heaven without it. The mormon concept of "christianity", is far more bizarre than you can imagine. It is such a perversion of the true gospel, that for the most part they are ashamed to admit the actual teachings of the mormon church. They are making every effort to appear "christian" and to be accepted along with the other churches but even from just the few statements silvermoon gave, it should be clear that they are not. Biblical Christianity is based on the bible alone and in its entirety...no more no less....The book of mormon is not the bible it is not equal to the bible, it is a fairy tale, that has no relationship to truth whatsoever. Any one who tries to add or subract anything to Gods word is accursed. When the mormons bring the book of mormon and say this is Gods word too...they are accursed... When the SDAs bring the writings of Ellen G White, and say this is the word Spoken by Gods prophet, they are accursed. When the Catholics bring the visions of Mary, and the infallible pronouncements of the Pope, and say..Thus saith the Lord, they are accursed... This is not what blueheron32 says, this is what God says...

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

As for the lists Rylee presented as the official beliefs of the Mormon church...They are all lies... they say one thing, but the definitions of the terms they use are not the same as what Biblical christians assume... They have a different god the father...they have a different jesus, they have a different holy spirit.. they may use the same word, but when they use it they assign to it an entirely different meaning...they use a different dictionary...They have so much respect for the blood of Christ, that when they take communion they use WATER rather than wine...They do not believe the blood of Christ is sufficient to atone for our sins....but that we have to shed our own blood....Silvermoon himself admitted that jesus and satan are brothers, equally the spirit children of god the father...that is blasphemy...just as the entire mormon religion is a blasphemous perversion of christianity....

It is for that reason that we do not allow mormons, and other false gospels to preach their filth here at Christian Chat Forum. They are all welcome to come if they are truly seeking the true gospel....But if they are only here to promote their own lies, they are not welcome....This is our house, And God himself tells us we are not to allow them to enter...

2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Have I been clear enough....:-)

Psa 69:9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
Joh 2:17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

blueheron32

[Soul_of_faith]

Well i do know there are two types of Mormon One that still holds the old beliefs of more than one wife and those that do not. Either way I use to be mormon and for my own reasons I got out. They are very loving and god fearing People at least the ones I met. However when I went to leave the church and asked my name to be removed from their list umm lets just say they were not so happy or nice. Man came to my door asked why I had not been to church I told him I no longer was or wanted to be a part of said church and this nice gentle looking older man turned into a yelling not so happy looking man. I told him I want my name removed from the list and he said You think it's that easy huh? I said Uhh yeah? He said well we'll just see about that! Not sure what he ment by that but he was very upset and on the verge of hostile. In all fairness though you should learn about the religion from a mormon site. It's not good to larn about any religion from a site that bashes said religion. Well that is my two cents I had posted before but doesn't look like it went through so sorry if it posts twice.

[Rylee]

Eeekk... once you become a Mormon, it's really hard to leave the 'church'. You have to have a meeting with one of their "officials", and then they grill you about your decision. They send people to your house to try to change your mind. It's not a loving process, I'll tell ya' that. Also, all Mormons that you knew pretty much deny that you existed... it's sad.

[Rylee]

silvermoon - It sounds like you think Blueheron may be being closeminded, which is not the case. I think this is, in short, what he's saying: Exchange of Christian ideas, or Christian doctrine, is allowed here, but nothing outside of that. Hence, the name, Christian Chat Forum. :-D

[blueheron32]

Rylee...

And If you should leave the mormon church, there are always the "avenging angels" to worry about....they went by several names...but if you google...mormon avenging angels.... you should find a wealth of information about these assasins who would murder those who left the church without permission...Is this christianity..?? Silvermoon says it is...what kind of bondage they must live in...

blue

[Rylee]

:-O noooooo........ really???? That's terrible, and it doesn't make any logical sense.

You've perked my interest, off to google I go......

[m.o.m.]

I'm responding here to bump this up in the hopes that the young lady considering converting to Mormonism will read it.

My experience with Mormonism was one where I had a very close friend who decided to become a Mormon. He was told by his mormon friends to turn his back on his friends and family. In fact, they helped him to runaway from his family and kept him hidden from them for a period of time. They basically encourage their converts to break all ties with former friends and family.

I studied their beliefs in an effort to understand and came to the conclusion in my 17 year old wisdom that anything that claims that there is more to the word of God than the Bible must be a cult. That's not to mention their other strange practices and beliefs that have already been posted here. It is enough to know that they believe the Bible is not the complete word of God.

I hope and pray that anyone considering this religion will hear the true word of God and flee from this temptation.

As a side note of Praise to God -- my friend did not stay a Mormon long and became a Christian who has now been serving the Lord for 30 years.

m.o.m.

[Kolage]

I know all about Mormonism...I live in the heart of it out in Utah. Where I live it's 98% Mormon. I run a website that you can check out (http://www.mormondeception.blogspot.com) I also have a podcast that I do. You can listen to that also. It's linked to my site. anyway...Mormonism is a very dangerous ground to walk on in regards to the Lord...God Bless!!

[nutshell]

Blueheron, you have presented a distortion of actual Mormon teaching and I will attempt to clarify.


There are teachings of Mormonism which separate it forever from Christianity and the Holy Bible.

Specifically, Mormonism teachings include:

* That God the Father has a body of flesh and bones and was once a sinful man on another planet.

This I chalk up to Mormon philosophy. It is not doctrine and it is not taught to our congregations or in the temple.


* That God lives with many goddess wives on a planet near the great star Kolob.

We believe God is a perfect physical being and, as such, may exist somewhere. There is nothing in Mormon doctrine that teaches God lives with many "goddess wives."

* That Polygamy is part of God’s holy ordinances.

Polygamy is in no way an ordinance required for salvation or exaltation. You seem to have a problem with Mormon polygamy, does it bother you that it was practiced by the prophets of old? If not, why the discrepancy?

* That Jesus Christ is the brother of Lucifer, the Devil. Jesus had to work out his own salvation.

Jesus Christ and Lucifer are NOT physical brothers. We were all created spiritually by the Father. Christ was the first...the rest of us came later. If two people have the same spiritual father, what would you call them? Brothers and sisters, right?


* That the doctrines of their inspired leaders are superior to the Bible.

NEVER. We believe in continuing revelation, but it is always in harmony with the Bible whether you recognize it or not.


* That "there are more gods than there are particles on a million earths"

I've never heard that quote, where's it from? This, again, is an individual Mormon's philosophy, not church doctrine.

* That men can become gods themselves by joining the Mormon church and will be able to create and populate their own earths.

We believe we may become like God. That does not mean we are God. The Bible teaches that we are joint heirs with Christ, meaning we can have all that the Father and the Son have. Joining the Mormon church is irrelevant, accepting Christ and following his teachings is.


* That the shed blood of Christ is not sufficient to save us from our sins, that it only gives us resurrection so we may be judged for our works; that men cannot be saved by grace through faith, but only by our works of righteousness.

Blantant lie. We are saved by the grace of Christ after all we can do. We all fall short and it's only through his grace that we might be purified and enter the Father's presence.


* That the Mormon Church is the only true church on earth, to the exclusion of all others. It has the only true authority.

Christ established a priesthood and promised to build his church upon it. We believe we are this church.


* That there are two churches only, The church of the Lamb [Mormonism] and the church of the Devil [the rest of us].

Truth can be found anywhere, but we believe we have all the truth. We invite others to hear our message as we seek to make bad people good and good people better.


* That man cannot gain eternal life and enter the presence of the Lord outside of Mormonism.

I already stated that one must accept Christ and follow his teachings to enter the presence of the Lord.


Now that things have been clarified, I'm interested in participating in an active and civil discussion about these teachings if anyone is interested.

Thank you,

-nutshell

[Forgiven]

Jesus Christ and Lucifer are NOT physical brothers. We were all created spiritually by the Father. Christ was the first...the rest of us came later. If two people have the same spiritual father, what would you call them? Brothers and sisters, right?
-nutshell

Nutshell,
Jesus Christ was/is not a created being, He is God and always has been God and always will be God.
God the Son (Jesus) is fully, completely God. God the Father is fully, completely God. And God the Holy Spirit is fully, completely God. Together they are God, separate they are God.

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Notice the plural pronouns "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26. The "us" and "our" was God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the Creator of all things.

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

[Anginichi]

It's funny that some of the people who have come on here defending the Mormon religion and claiming it to be truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.. even to the point that it is the only true church.. have said the following quote:

"Truth can be found anywhere, but we believe we have all the truth"

Are you listening to yourself??? Truth can be found ANYWHERE??? I don't think so! The only place I have ever found it is in the Word of God. Jesus Himself said: "I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

[Janna]

Why would anyone want to "Learn More" about such weak nonsense ?

Janna.

[Julia Hagan]

This is not Bible and I will pray earnestly for everyone who believes this way cause we are saved by Gods grace and washed clean by the blood of Jesus

[SirLaffalot aka CarltonRoss]

I agree that Jesus is TRUTH, the Holy Bible is true and inerrant, as stated in the Bible itself and anything aside from Jesus or His word or in conflict with or contradictory to either is errant and false, no matter whose teaching it may be.

[larry]

Dear brother in the Lord, I'm just getting back into the older threads and came upon this wonderful exposing of Mormonism. I have recently Chatted with some that I believed might be Mormon or at least have been influenced by them. They have a way of influencing unbelievers, and brethren weak in faith by their great show of morality and religiousness; though without Christ. Christians in their immaturity can get sucked into all kinds of things. I hope you don't mind, but I thought this is one of those studies needed to be brought forward for those who have never seen it. Truth never grows old. I have known these things for years now, but it is always good to refresh our knowledge of the evil around us, and to be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Thank you again Brother Blueheron for this thread in Jesus' name - larry

[Solus]

in other words,despite liberal thinking only god should jusge such things we know clearly they are a cult and in violation of clear and sound doctrine including the book of mormon they somehow cannonize as scripture when the Bible clearly forbids it! WE ARE to judge the doctrine and such people. "Least yee be judged" means by the same standards we judge other's we shall be judged.Great! Bring it on to the true believers who have no problem of offense being judged by other's given the practice ogf Matthew 5:16!We should encourage other's to judge us........we long to be holy if we are truly his!