1 Corinthians 14:34-35

[Rufus]

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

[Brother John]

Who is talking?
To whom is he talking?
What is the subject in context, (read a little before and after)?
What doe's "to speak" mean in the context?
Of what, or how are they (as to kind of) "to speak"?
What law?
How does this relate to what we know about the rest of the Bible?
Do you or your fellowship have a bias, on this subject?

[peaceBun2you]

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 In order to fully understand that scripture more research is necessary. Read 1 Corinthians 11:3-10. The scripture that you asked about is talking about a womans role in the Christian congregation, it does not mean that women can't speak in a congregation, it means that she is to avoid speaking if what she says would demonstrate a lack of subjection. At Matt 10:1-4 it was males who were overseers of the congregations.

[mrsd81]

Does this mean if a visitor asks me where the restroom is I have to go get a male to tell them?

[Rufus]

Who is talking? Paul, inspired by God.
To whom is he talking?Christians.
What is the subject in context, (read a little before and after)?Submission.
What doe's "to speak" mean in the context?Uttering sound which comes from vocal chords and exits from the mouth.
Of what, or how are they (as to kind of) "to speak"? If "they" means women, they are not to speak.
What law?The law of God.
How does this relate to what we know about the rest of the Bible?It relates to women being in submission to their husbands and man being the head of the woman. It relates to the perfect order of God.
Do you or your fellowship have a bias, on this subject?I do and I have found a fellowship that does.

[pjoy]

Women get a bad rap here. What 1 Cor. 14-34-35 is referring to is that there shouldn't be any gossip or chatter in church and most associate this behavior with women.Bottom line is that the Christian church needs to be orderly so GOD's Word(not Man's) can be heard with understanding by all.
You must remember Priscilla, a convert and teacher who Paul mentions quite a bit in the New Testament and in the Old Testament (Judges)Deborah was a judge who led them into battle and Hulda was head of the University and she was sought out to explain scripture. Women educated in GOD's Word
were and are well thought of.
The reference to 1 Corinthians 11: 3-10 made by Peacebun2you, refers to women's head being covered. This is meant spiritually. Our heads are to be covered with Christ,not hats, so that when the fallen angels return (Rev 12:6-9)with Satan as AntiChrist at the 6th Trump,6th seal and 6th vial(666) the events of Gen 6:4 will not happen again.

[Brother John]

Who is talking?
Yes Paul

To whom is he talking?
Yes Believes in Corinth

What is the subject in context, (read a little before and after)?
Maybe you didn't read far enough, the subject is (speaking in tongues).

What doe's "to speak" mean in the context?
Sense the subject is tongues, " to speak" is not the normal talk, but refers to the context of the subject, "tongues" is that there talking about here.

Of what, or how are they (as to kind of) "to speak"?
= (how are they to speak)=(what kind of speech)
Again ("as kind of" is what I was refering to not "thay")
The kind of speech in context here is supernatual.

What law?
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto
the Lord.
Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in
the Lord.

How does this relate to what we know about the rest of the Bible?
That wives are to submit to there husbands.

Do you or your fellowship have a bias, on this subject?
The only thing I care about, is that I get it right.

[theologia]

It is very good to look at the context, including other parts of Scripture, as a couple of people have done.

There are also these parallel passages, which shed some good light on the questions that have been raised. Please forgive a couple of repeats that others have put forward:

1 Corinthians 11:3: "But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

1 Timothy 2:11-13: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve."

Ephesians 5:22-24: "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything."

Titus 2:1-5: "But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine: that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience; the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things - that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed."

1 Peter 3:1-6: "Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. Do not let your adornment be merely outward - arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel - rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror."

1 Corinthians 4:17: "For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church."

1 Corinthians 11:5: "But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved."

Genesis 3:16: "To the woman He said: I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

Blessings In Christ to you all.

[pjoy]

It is very good to look at the context, including other parts of Scripture, as a couple of people have done.

There are also these parallel passages, which shed some good light on the questions that have been raised. Please forgive a couple of repeats that others have put forward:

1 Corinthians 11:3: "But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

1 Timothy 2:11-13: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve."

Ephesians 5:22-24: "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything."

Titus 2:1-5: "But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine: that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience; the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things - that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed."

1 Peter 3:1-6: "Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. Do not let your adornment be merely outward - arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel - rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror."

1 Corinthians 4:17: "For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church."

1 Corinthians 11:5: "But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved."

Genesis 3:16: "To the woman He said: I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

Blessings In Christ to you all.
If you take verses out of context then you miss the entire truths being revealed to you. I believe 1 Cor 14 is basically about how to act in church.
KJV 1 Corinthians 14:33 basically sums it up: "For GOD is not the author of confusion(translated to BABEL),but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
and the last verse 1 Cor 14:40 :Let all things be done decently and in order."
In reference to the verses in question, if a woman (or anyone) is talking in church, they should be quiet and ask later.
Please don't get hung up on women being any less than men. GOD uses whomever he will use. Here are some other verses, where GOD uses females to prophesy (ie.,teach):
Acts 21:9 "And the same man had four daughters,virgins,which did prophesy"
Acts 2:17 quotes Joel 2:28 about the endtimes: And it shall come to pass afterward,that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters will prophesy...
Hope this helps!

[LovedBubba]

there needs to be order in the church (I hope this foolishness can be laid to rest about in the hallways as the implication should be obvious that it is in the worship).

when people have the "floor" or (what is the right word?) right (? maybe right is to strong a word ?) to get up and speak their intelligent word of the Lord [and oh good greif, I can see it now, singing by a woman forbid??]

[1 Corinthians 14:33 KJVR] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
[1 Corinthians 14:34 KJVR] Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
[1 Corinthians 14:35 KJVR] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
[1 Corinthians 14:36 KJVR] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
[1 Corinthians 14:37 KJVR] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
[1 Corinthians 14:38 KJVR] But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
[1 Corinthians 14:39 KJVR] Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
[1 Corinthians 14:40 KJVR] Let all things be done decently and in order.

tongues should be saved for another thread...

is it not becoming more clear that disorder in the church service is not to be tollerated??
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[Ephesians 4:15 KJVR] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

oh by the way... maybe people need to start speaking the truth in love instead of trying to win a debate...??

[1 Corinthians 13:1 ESV] If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
[1 Corinthians 13:1 KJVR] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

[OneJoe]

If you take verses out of context then you miss the entire truths being revealed to you. I believe 1 Cor 14 is basically about how to act in church.
KJV 1 Corinthians 14:33 basically sums it up: "For GOD is not the author of confusion(translated to BABEL),but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
and the last verse 1 Cor 14:40 :Let all things be done decently and in order."
In reference to the verses in question, if a woman (or anyone) is talking in church, they should be quiet and ask later.
Please don't get hung up on women being any less than men. GOD uses whomever he will use. Here are some other verses, where GOD uses females to prophesy (ie.,teach):
Acts 21:9 "And the same man had four daughters,virgins,which did prophesy"
Acts 2:17 quotes Joel 2:28 about the endtimes: And it shall come to pass afterward,that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters will prophesy...
Hope this helps!
I don't believe anyone is getting hung up on anything. I don't recall anyone relaying an image that women were less important. Quite the contrary. Women were very important in the bible and have always been so long as they abide in the Godly role that the Father has given them. You said the verses are "basically how to act in church". Those verses give a clear commandment that women are to remain silent in church. I'm glad you brought up 1 Cor 14:33 because the phrase I keep in mind is: "as in all churches of the saints". Paul has made it clear that their should be order in the congregations and the guidelines which he has layed out are to be followed. He wasn't referring to one church or a dozen. He was referring to all churches. Also, I disagree with your assumption that if anyone is talking then they should all be quiet and ask later. That is not what Paul has commanded. Paul instructed for the women to be quiet and ask their husbands later. The husband is the head of the wife and therefore should instruct her and teach her in a Godly manner. Also, both verses you quoted say nothing about a woman teaching a congregation. Those verses declare that women prophecied. Indeed women declared the word of God as truth. Women were known many times to have helped in sending forth the Gospel. But the difference was that those women were not pastors, deacons, bishops, etc. They were not the head of a congregation. Had they been leading a congregation then they would have been in direct violation of God's law. Thus God wouldn't call someone to a position if it violates his own law. I have a question for you in regard to Acts 2:17. Do you believe that prophecy has already been fulfilled? From verse 16 I am lead to believe it has occured. Therefore the sons and daughters have already prophecied. The young men have had visions and the old men dreamed dreams. It was by this that men wrote the bible and completed it. Therefore scripture is to be followed if we are to be obedient servants. 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Scripture says: Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


Joe

[The Preacherman]

It has nothing to do with women not being able to preach or talk.

It is basically a call for order at that specific time and place.

One needs to understand what was going on in Corinth at the time.

There were prophetesses from pagan temples who were used to proclaiming things in the temples and some became converts and apparently thought they could continue thier practises in the new church.

Paul told them to be quiet and wait til they got home and discuss things over with thier husbands to learn the new ways of the church.

It also had to do with some women who evidently were speaking in tongues without any kind of order which created confusion in the assembly.

Scripture study need to be tempered with knowledge of what was going on at the time in question.

Many of the prophecies of the Bible were fufilled in the New Testament time. And no longer apply.

[jesusrocksmypinksocks]

It was for the people at the time because In my church the ladies speak and pray about things, and at that time I think they were separted from the men? and the women were upstairs/ at the back and couldnt hear what the preacher was saying So they talked? If thats right....

[Conscience]

Folks, the word silence in (1Cor.14;34-35) does not mean complete silence. Everyone is commanded to sing and pray in church services.

(1Cor.14:34,35) does not have anything to do with the women being any less than the man.

The Lord is teaching us through his word about due order (1Cor.11:1-3).


Conscience

[Revelation]

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

Did you know that women make up over 1/2 of all church congregations across this country and all over the world? What would happen if every woman in every church no longer spoke?

I am new to the forum. This is a subject that has always intrigued me since I am a woman and practice faith in the Baptist denomination which permits women to exercise their God given gifts and talents in all aspects of ministry. (Ephesians 4:4-13). In Ephesians 4:11, it should be noted that the Bible specifically states that He (God through the Holy Spirit) "has given some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of serivce, so that the body of Christ may be built up untl we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ."

Moreover, let us not forget that on the Day of Pentacost, when the Holy Spirit fell on the people who were assembled, (Acts 2:1-4), all were filled with the Spirit, that includes the women. The Spirit didn't skip over the women who were assembled. As previously stated on this forum and in conjunction with Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:17, we are told in the Bible that women shall prophesy. What does it mean to prophesy, if one does not speak and if one does not have anyone to speak to? Whether the prophesy comes in the form of speaking in tongues, preaching a sermon, prophesing through prayer, engaging in spiritual warfare, evangelizing the lost, or while laying hands on the sick....you get the picture, it is still prophesy; it is still speaking; and it is still a part of fellowship with other believers in the Body of Christ while fulfilling our great commission (Matthew 28:18-20), "go ye (male and female) into all the world baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." Galations 3:28 further states that there is neither Jew nor Greek, nor male nor female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus. In Jesus, even we, women, are classified as Sons who are entitled to the inheritance.

Last but not least, let us ponder a few New Testament examples which defy the notion of women keeping silent and not holding roles in the church or being able to use their God given talents.

1) Before that great prophet John the Baptist who foretold of the coming of the Great Messiah was....there was the prophetess Anna......(Luke 2:36).
2) Before that great apostle, missionary and evangelist Paul was ever called out of darkness....there was Mary Magdalene, who Jesus appeared to first and told to spread the Good News of His resurrection. (John 20:11-18)
3) Others have previously mentioned other New Testament examples of the daughters of Phillip (Acts 21:9); Phoebe (Romans 16:1) who was a deaconness at least and pastor at best; and Priscilla(1Cor 16:19) Acts 18:24-26) who was clearly a teacher of the scriptures and believer of great faith.

I would encourage all who are in denominations which prohibit women from exercising their God given abilities, talents and gifts in ministry to consider the fruit of every believer and to simply try the spirits by the spirit. When the whole of scripture is rightly divided, then we as believers clearly see that God has a place for women not just in the kingdom, but down here on Earth impacting the lives of others through ministry of all aspects, in the church as well as outside the church.

Honestly, I could care less whether a male or female is speaking, preaching, teaching, prophesying, laying hands, etc., so long as lives are being transformed and souls are being saved. God bless you all.

[souldancyr41]

I can't say I like this doctrine which leads me to believe I do not understand it. I am comfortable with that assessment. I wait on God to lead me otherwise

[BFSmith764]

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14:34-35



This is not referring to not allowing women to preach in the Church. When this was written, many of the women were talking during service distracting those who waned to hear what was being said.

They were being admonished that if there were anything that they did not understand, rather than disturb those who are listing to the pastor/speaker they should ask their husband at home. I think if one lesion we can all learn from this is that you cannot learn while talking at the same time….you want to learn just keep quite and listen.

[OneJoe]

When this was written, many of the women were talking during service distracting those who waned to hear what was being said.

By what scripture do you gather this information? I have heard this spill so many times and have seen no proof the women at Corinth were disrupting service or distracting anyone. Paul doesn't mention any such thing. Paul was simply addressing the divisions and layed down the order of things for church. And the point is that it would be quite difficult for a woman to preach as a pastor, deacon, bishop, etc if she is commanded to remain silent in church. Nor would a woman fit the guide lines pointed out in 1 Timothy or Titus ch. 1.

[BFSmith764]

By what scripture do you gather this information? I have heard this spill so many times and have seen no proof the women at Corinth were disrupting service or distracting anyone. Paul doesn't mention any such thing. Paul was simply addressing the divisions and layed down the order of things for church. And the point is that it would be quite difficult for a woman to preach as a pastor, deacon, bishop, etc if she is commanded to remain silent in church. Nor would a woman fit the guide lines pointed out in 1 Timothy or Titus ch. 1.

All you have to do is look at how the statement is made; the writer said that if there is something that they don't understand that they should ask there husband at home. This hardly would be referring to someone that would be giving a sermon or addressing the Church from a pulpit.

Seeing that a man is the head of a woman it would not be fitting for a woman to be undermining the authority of a man when he is speaking/teaching. Some women can be quite disrespectful and loose with their mouth towards some men (especially if this is tolerated by the men) that they despise. I am not speaking in a vacuum; this is something that I have seen many times.

To get a better understanding of what I’m saying read the book of Esther about queen Vashti and how she disrespected the king, her husband, and what his wise men suggested for him to do.

[OneJoe]

All you have to do is look at how the statement is made; the writer said that if there is something that they don't understand that they should ask there husband at home. This hardly would be referring to someone that would be giving a sermon or addressing the Church from a pulpit.

Seeing that a man is the head of a woman it would not be fitting for a woman to be undermining the authority of a man when he is speaking/teaching. Some women can be quite disrespectful and loose with their mouth towards some men (especially if this is tolerated by the men) that they despise. I am not speaking in a vacuum; this is something that I have seen many times.

To get a better understanding of what I’m saying read the book of Esther about queen Vashti and how she disrespected the king, her husband, and what his wise men suggested for him to do.

I've read what Paul says many times. I just don't add something which isn't there. Paul never says the women were unruly or had loose mouths. There is no proof the women at Corinth were in any way disrupting service. Rather, Paul is laying down order to address the devisions. He said nothing about women running off at the mouth or over stepping their bounds. There are other scriptures used to show women are forbidded from teaching from a pulpit. My point isn't to prove woman can't be a pastor, because I believe scripture is clear enough on that matter. My issue lies with a teaching or thought process which isn't backed up by scripture. Paul was a very bold teacher. He didn't seem to have a problem getting his point across. If the women at Corinth were unruly, I'm sure Paul would have addressed that just as clearly as he did any other issue. Do you really want to be responsible for telling someone the women were disrupting service with questions when Paul doesn't say that? I certainly do not. The point is that people today like to take Pauls teaching and attempt to make it void today by claiming times were different then. But those people are correct to an extent. Times are different today. There worse today. You didn't see women stepping up and teaching from a pulpit then because they knew it was forbidded and unlike some women today, at that point in time it actually meant something to obey commandments. Thankfully some women and even some men know they don't belong in such a position.

[BFSmith764]

I've read what Paul says many times. I just don't add something which isn't there. Paul never says the women were unruly or had loose mouths. There is no proof the women at Corinth were in any way disrupting service. Rather, Paul is laying down order to address the devisions. He said nothing about women running off at the mouth or over stepping their bounds. There are other scriptures used to show women are forbidded from teaching from a pulpit. My point isn't to prove woman can't be a pastor, because I believe scripture is clear enough on that matter. My issue lies with a teaching or thought process which isn't backed up by scripture. Paul was a very bold teacher. He didn't seem to have a problem getting his point across. If the women at Corinth were unruly, I'm sure Paul would have addressed that just as clearly as he did any other issue. Do you really want to be responsible for telling someone the women were disrupting service with questions when Paul doesn't say that? I certainly do not. The point is that people today like to take Pauls teaching and attempt to make it void today by claiming times were different then. But those people are correct to an extent. Times are different today. There worse today. You didn't see women stepping up and teaching from a pulpit then because they knew it was forbidded and unlike some women today, at that point in time it actually meant something to obey commandments. Thankfully some women and even some men know they don't belong in such a position.

Why would there be a need to tell the women not to do something if they were not dong what you tell them not to do? If they were not being disruptive what would be the sense of telling them not to be so? Just to show who's in charge?

I'm not saying that women should be preaching in Church or not...I'm just saying that that scripture was not addressing that question.

[OneJoe]

Why would there be a need to tell the women not to do something if they were not dong what you tell them not to do? If they were not being disruptive what would be the sense of telling them not to be so? Just to show who's in charge?

Many of the things taught in the bible were yet to be fulfilled. Many things had not happened. But we are still taught of the things to come. Did Paul give this command because the women at Corinth were disorderly? I see nothing in scripture to draw such a conclusion and certainly not enough to teach anyone else such a thing. Rather, I can look around today and see why Paul gave that command. Every direction we look, women are asurping authority over their husbands. Men are bowing down as the weaker vessel. That is if we can actually call them "Men". Women are providing for the family while the husband sits at home playing video games. That is just an example since I have known some males like that. Personally these people should be horse whipped and taught to be a man. Nevertheless, that is what we see today. I certainly can't see that happening at Corinth. It seems the women would have feared the consequence of their being unruly.

[keturah]

It was Not JESUS who said it, that is for sure! For in Gensis 5:1 The Word called both the Male and Female...ADAM. And the Word of God was called JESUS by the angels before he was conceived in the womb of Mary.
So the writter of this Book, I think it is Paul, the Lawyer, said it and I suppose to those of that generation in that cultural time. Why first appeared to a Woman, certainly there is spiritual meaning in that, beyond what the world is giving.
Society has grown more it its Godly understanding as time moved forth, for knowing God is a slow and gradual process. Heck, in Paul's time, their generation thought the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universal. They were surround by people who served many false real Gods. If you handed him a computer, he might have called it evil...heck who knows. God doesn't change but he waits for flesh to move on towards perfections. JESUS liberate us, Mr. & Mrs. Adam, together as One in him. God talked to women all along. Eve was tricked and admitted it, her husband was fill with Pride and a bit jealous that he wasn't offered God-ship first, expaining in human and simply terms this spiritual truth.
we are one set containing two parts, no two sets of one, remember you math or is that trig? The reason Jesus didn't stone the woman, is because he would had to destoy all flesh, which including the males. Tho the people didn't understand that then, and some not even today, we meat eater of the word should and that is all I have to say.